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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If the majority will not pay $100 then the simple
economics dictate the price is too high to make it viable. If you made a set of
gear markedly lighter than the Bolly or ES gear and could guarantee the
gear would not break in normal usage you might get your $100 from the pattern
community. the next question is given the market segment you are going after at
what point will you have saturated the market and have excess stock sitting on
the shelf?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If the weight savings were substantial for a set of
gear for an electric 2 meter plane you might see a few guys buy your gear as
replacements.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just my thoughts on the subject.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=gfowler@raytheon.com href="mailto:gfowler@raytheon.com">Gray E
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 22, 2008 1:32
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] CF gear needs
and something to talk about</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Interesting about the need for
landing gear. Lance and I from AeroSlave have conteplated making gear.
Personnally I have an ES and we chose not design and fab CF gear because the
ES was a good price, good weight. I was unaware the ES has ceased making
the gear. If I had to guess ES stopped due to not enough money to be made,
probably due to the people wanting replacements due to breaking or just not
enough profit margin at $75.</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>I have
looked at many different types of CF gear and the one thing they all had in
common was some type of design flaw. These various flaws were a result of
composite design ignorance or, a tough choice that had to be made to keep fab
costs low. So the question is...how much would a pattern dude pay for a
lightweight CF landing gear that would never break under normal use? It can be
done, but is the market there?</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2>$100 ?</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>$150 ?</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>$175 ?</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>I
would guess that a majority will choke on a $100 cost, and obviously, a $75
price tag (ES) is not sustainable as a business. <BR></FONT><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical
Engineer<BR>Radomes and Specialty Apertures<BR>Technical Staff Composites
Engineering<BR>Raytheon</FONT> <BR><BR><BR>
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<TD width="40%"><FONT face=sans-serif size=1><B>Jon Lowe
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<P><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>10/22/2008 11:44 AM</FONT>
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<TD><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the
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size=2>Concur on the landing gear. Big hole was left when ES stopped
producing gears.<BR><BR>Jon Lowe<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
Mark Atwood <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com><BR>Sent: Wednesday, October 22,
2008 8:02 AM<BR>To: General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
since the list is slooooooow...<BR><BR>Control Horns, Carbon landing gear,
wing and stab adjusters (unless we're<BR>still going to be able to get the
gator stuff).<BR><BR><BR>On 10/21/08 9:00 PM, "JShulman"
<jshulman@cfl.rr.com> wrote:<BR><BR>> How about this for all you
pilots sitting at home not knowing what to<BR>> practice.<BR>> <BR>>
Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will have an
F3A<BR>> outrunner and controller in a few months, along with<BR>> some
parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs.<BR>> <BR>> My
question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at the
least,<BR>> to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see<BR>>
what we can do.<BR>> <BR>> Regards,<BR>> Jason<BR>>
www.jasonshulman.com<BR>> www.shulmanaviation.com<BR>>
www.composite-arf.com<BR>> <BR>> No virus found in this outgoing
message.<BR>> Checked by AVG.<BR>> Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database:
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