<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"> Anthony my experience is consistent with Scotts observations. I really think the AXI F3a is the best bang for the buck in E. pattern. Mine was so reliable this last season that I never had to one think to it in over 200 flights plus if you did have a problem with it Hobby Lobby would replace it. At $280 your well served and the power they deliver is impressive. Mike<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 9/26/08, Scott Pavlock <I><f3aflyer7@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Anthony,<BR><BR>My experience with generic brand, cheaper motors has shown a lot about how different manufacturers use various techniques to cut costs, and how it severely reduces the quality of the product. From an economic standpoint, it's impossible for two manufacturers to sell two supposedly identical products at such a large price difference. The only way this is possible is to increase the quantity sold, and I'm sure AXI sells more motors than HXT.<BR><BR>In performance testing both in the air and on a dyno, the generic brand almost always under performs fairly severely. This is usually a result of poor workmanship and poorly selected or out of date materials. There is a large difference in the metal that comes from China, and the metal that comes from Japan. The material costs to make an electric motor are fairly low because they can be bought in bulk and are readily accessable. Name brand motors tend to use quality materials, but
more importantly, use higher quality labor where much of the costs to make the motor are incurred. This not only produces a quality motor, but unit to unit reliability.<BR><BR>Many people use generic motors because they boast the same (in some cases better) numbers, for a fraction of the cost. Some end up with an up to standard motor and end up pretty happy with their purchase. But many also end up with a motor that performs marginal at best, or maybe not at all, without product replacement or product support. Motors can and will fail, and is the one component that has the capability to destroy both the ESC and the battery in one violent 500A burst. And one way to help prevent this it is to use a high quality system.<BR><BR>In the long run, you will be much happier with a name brand motor, regardless of wether you are just getting started or have been using electrics for years. The same goes for the batteries and ESC.<BR><BR>Scott<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 12:17 PM, <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:schroetere@bellsouth.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow>schroetere@bellsouth.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Hey Anthony,</DIV>
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<DIV>I am using the Castle Creations HV85 and a mix of Tanic and Vampower batteries. I haven't used a Jeti, but I'm sure it would do well also. My packs are between 4500-5000 mah flying the masters pattern.</DIV>
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<DIV>Emory.</DIV>
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<DIV>What ESC and battery did you use with that. Is the Jeti spin 99 still the right choice for that motor?<BR></DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for the info.<BR>--- On <B>Fri, 9/26/08, Emory Schroeter <I><<A href="mailto:schroetere@bellsouth.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow>schroetere@bellsouth.net</A>></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=Ih2E3d><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] E-Question HXT motors<BR></DIV>To: "General pattern discussion" <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 8:08 AM
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<DIV>From my experience, I was amazed at how well the HXT motor performed. I don't remember the stats exactly, but they were very close to the performance I was seeing with the AXI. I believe it was slightly less efficient (maybe 2 more amps drawn) and had about 200 less RPM than the AXI. Like someone mentioned, I kept waiting for it to fail, but it didn't. I had well over 100 flights on it when I decided to plant the airplane in the ground. Based on my experience with it, I wouldn't hesitate to try one again in the future. I mostly used the APC 20x15 prop.</DIV>
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<DIV>On Sep 25, 2008, at 1:30 PM, Anthony Romano wrote:</DIV><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ok, some in depth answers.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We did in fact test this motor last season on a Black Magic V2, flying masters. We used the HXT 63-64B 230kv motor. We used a CC HV85 controller, Tanic and vampower packs.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Power is certainly not a problem for this motor. It is fairly comparable to the AXI. 2700 watts, 82 amps, 6200 RPM on an APC 20x14. the motor never got over 110 degrees.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Longevity: we got well over 100 flights on it before the plane was lost, no problems whatsoever. This was using Esprit stand off mounts as well, o nose mounting.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>No can issues, nothing, it just delivered. your results may vary of course. These are "cheap" chinese motors and you do not have the support structure in place like the name brands. but considering you can buy almost 4 of them for the price of one AXI, it's pretty interesting.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I've run a lot of these chinese motors and maybe I'm just lucky, but I just don't have problems. I keep hearing about problems with darned near everything, including name brand stuff, and the only issue we've run into yet was a very early bearing failure with an AXI...that's all. Ever.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have yet to install one of these on a VF3, and wonder about it because by it's very nature you will have to use more power to fly it. I realize 82 amps is a lot, but the packs never got warm, nor did the speed control or motor, so who knows.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>in short, if this is your first forray into electrics of this size, you would probably be better off with the AXI just from the standpoint of support. But so far I can't find a thing wrong with this motor, or else I am just that lucky (and THAT is highly unlikely, trust me!)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Mike</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>As I am doing my research into the world of electric pattern I have come across the HXT line of electric motors. It appears that the HXT 63-64 B230 is a fraction of the cost of the comparable AXI motor ($60 vs.$200+) with very similar performance numbers, physical dimensions, etc. In fact, according to the info I saw it is even 12 grams lighter.</DIV>
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<DIV>Being a realist I have to ask the question; what's the catch? Will it burn out after three flights, does it run excessively hot, does it smell like bacon? I don't get it. Is it just a cheap Chinese knock off, a very good value, or both? What I really want to know is, is the motor viable for F3A pattern?</DIV>
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<DIV>I appreciate any information you guys can provide, particularly from those who have used them or seen them run.</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks a bunch</DIV>
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