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<DIV> Verne K. did the best 45 degree down 1.5 positive snap I've seen this last weekend. He has an intersting way of programming his Futaba 14MZ so that he can lead with elevator but when he goes to bury the sticks in the corners it backs off on the elevator. Net results are some pretty impressive looking snaps. Mike<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 9/24/08, J N Hiller <I><jnhiller@earthlink.net></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: J N Hiller <jnhiller@earthlink.net><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls<BR>To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 11:10 AM<BR><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle20><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">How about another serious question? In moving to masters (2009) I wonder about the 45 down 1 1/2 snap to inverted.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle20><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Is there a preferred direction?</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle20><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Should the rudder be released after the 1 full snap to avoid pitching the nose down?</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle20><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This may be the least of my problems but I would like to hear your views on this. Sometimes I feel like I need to re-learn straight and level flight but I am committed to moving up.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle20><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks in advance.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle20><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim Hiller</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=ed_alt@hotmail.com href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>Ed Alt</A> </SPAN></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>
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<DIV>From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=aabdu@sbcglobal.net href="mailto:aabdu@sbcglobal.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow>Anthony Abdullah</A> </SPAN></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">I like that idea!! The rudder could even be mixed to low throttle so each half moves in opposite directions for downline braking, or would that just cause the plane to spin, which could also be cool.<BR><BR>--- On <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Tue, 9/23/08, <A href="mailto:rcmaster199@aol.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>rcmaster199@aol.com</A> <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"><<A href="mailto:rcmaster199@aol.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>rcmaster199@aol.com</A>></SPAN></I></SPAN></B> wrote:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">From: <A href="mailto:rcmaster199@aol.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>rcmaster199@aol.com</A> <<A href="mailto:rcmaster199@aol.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>rcmaster199@aol.com</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls<BR>To: homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com, nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 11:30 AM</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt;
BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Woa Ed....A one piece rudder wouldn't move much at all so how could it </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">scrape the bench....who are you trying to chide??</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt;
BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">That gives me an idea....maybe we should build elevators as 1 piece and </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT:
0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">rudders as 2 piece. Split rudders will eliminate any belly or canopy </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">pitching. If each half was driven with a separate servo on separate </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium
none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">channels, they might be programmed to move differentially and eliminate </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">roll couple also. QED!!</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT:
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none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">shearing of the hair</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR:
black">Matt</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">-----Original Message-----</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR:
black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">From: krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Sent: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 1:46 am</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE
style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Did you put the elevator upside down Ed? You have to make sure you put </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none;
PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">the non scraping side down..</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt;
PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in;
BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Chris<SPAN> </SPAN> <SPAN> </SPAN> <SPAN> </SPAN> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium
none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">--- On Mon, 9/22/08, Ed Alt &lt;ed_alt@hotmail.com&gt; wrote:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">From: Ed Alt &lt;ed_alt@hotmail.com&gt;</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium
none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">To: "General pattern discussion" </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">&lt;nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org&gt;</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 10:03 PM</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR:
black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium
none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">I just tried that. Something doesn't look</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in;
MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">exactly right and the elevator is scraping the workbench now. What am </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">I</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium
none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">doing wrong? </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier
New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Ed</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN> </SPAN>----- Original Message
-----</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN> </SPAN>From:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN> </SPAN>JShulman</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR:
black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN> </SPAN>To: General pattern discussion</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium
none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN> </SPAN>Sent:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM:
0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> Monday, September 22, 2008 11:30</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN> </SPAN>PM</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT:
medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN> </SPAN>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN> </SPAN>rolls</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in;
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN> </SPAN>swap rudder</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN> </SPAN>with elevator</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN>
</SPAN> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN> </SPAN>Regards,</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Jason</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR:
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PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">www.composite-arf.com</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt;
PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN> </SPAN>-----Original Message-----</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT:
medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN> </SPAN>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Bob</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in;
MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN> </SPAN>Wilson</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:24 AM</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium
none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">To:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN> </SPAN>General pattern discussion</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in;
BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN> </SPAN>rolls</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier
New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN> </SPAN>I'm probably opening this up for lots of discussion, but what is </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">the</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN> </SPAN>correct technique for a snap?</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN> </SPAN> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN> </SPAN>For an inside snap, I apply rudder a fraction before (same </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">direction)</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN> </SPAN>aileron and up elevator.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN> </SPAN>For an outside snap, I apply rudder a fraction before
opposite </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">aileron</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN> </SPAN>and down elevator.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR:
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