<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Somebody stop em!! lol <img src="http://mail.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/09.gif"><br><br><div><strong><em><font color="#0000bf" face="comic sans ms" size="3">Chris </font></em></strong></div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div><br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 9/23/08, Ron Van Putte <i><vanputte@cox.net></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte@cox.net><br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls<br>To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 10:40 AM<br><br><pre>I think Black Magic airplanes should be barred from competition. It <br>is too easy to get high scores on spins, because they stop spinning <br>immediately after the
rudder/elevator controls are neutralized. <br>That's just not fair.<br><br>Ron VP<br><br>On Sep 23, 2008, at 12:16 PM, John Pavlick wrote:<br><br>> Yeah but if you REALLY want to make sure you get a 9.5 (like I did) <br>> you have to be flying a Black Magic! LOL<br>><br>> John Pavlick<br>><br>> --- On Tue, 9/23/08, JShulman <jshulman@cfl.rr.com> wrote:<br>> From: JShulman <jshulman@cfl.rr.com><br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls<br>> To: "General pattern discussion"<br><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 4:38 PM<br>><br>> Try leading with the elevator first for '9.5's', or like my<br>'9' <br>> snaps, just go to the corners at the same time.<br>><br>> Regards,<br>> Jason<br>> www.jasonshulman.com<br>> www.shulmanaviation.com<br>> www.composite-arf.com<br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- <br>> discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Bob Wilson<br>> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:24 PM<br>> To: aabdu@sbcglobal.net; General pattern discussion<br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls<br>><br>> Ah..ha, just as I suspected. The conversation got out of hand, but <br>> sure is enjoyable reading.<br>> Obviously, my snap roll technique was flawed and I can't wait for <br>> flying tonight so I can work on the improvements.<br>><br>> Thanks guys<br>> bw<br>><br>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Anthony Abdullah <br>> <aabdu@sbcglobal.net> wrote:<br>> I like that idea!! The rudder could even be mixed to low throttle <br>> so each half moves in opposite directions for downline braking, or <br>> would that just cause the plane to spin, which could also be cool.<br>><br>> --- On Tue, 9/23/08,
rcmaster199@aol.com <rcmaster199@aol.com><br>wrote:<br>> From: rcmaster199@aol.com <rcmaster199@aol.com><br>><br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls<br>> To: homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com, nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 11:30 AM<br>><br>><br>> Woa Ed....A one piece rudder wouldn't move much at all so how could <br>> it scrape the bench....who are you trying to chide?? That gives me <br>> an idea....maybe we should build elevators as 1 piece and rudders <br>> as 2 piece. Split rudders will eliminate any belly or canopy <br>> pitching. If each half was driven with a separate servo on separate <br>> channels, they might be programmed to move differentially and <br>> eliminate roll couple also. QED!! Just in case you forgot to trim <br>> your triangle, this is a simpler shearing of the hair Matt ----- <br>> Original Message----- From:
krishlan fitzsimmons <br>> <homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com> To: General pattern discussion <br>> <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 1:46 am <br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls Did you put the elevator <br>> upside down Ed? You have to make sure you put the non scraping side <br>> down.. Chris --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Ed Alt <br>> &lt;ed_alt@hotmail.com&gt; wrote: From: Ed Alt <br>> &lt;ed_alt@hotmail.com&gt; Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap <br>> rolls To: "General pattern discussion" &lt;nsrca- <br>> discussion@lists.nsrca.org&gt; Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, <br>> 10:03 PM I just tried that. Something doesn't look exactly right <br>> and the elevator is scraping the workbench now. What am I doing <br>> wrong? Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: JShulman To: <br>> General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, September
22, 2008 11:30 <br>> PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls swap rudder with <br>> elevator Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com <br>> www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com -----Original <br>> Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org <br>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Bob <br>> Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:24 AM To: General <br>> pattern discussion Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls I'm <br>> probably opening this up for lots of discussion, but what is the <br>> correct technique for a snap? For an inside snap, I apply rudder <br>> a fraction before (same direction) aileron and up elevator. For an <br>> outside snap, I apply rudder a fraction before opposite aileron and <br>> down elevator. Problem is, I watch the big boys do snaps on my <br>> TOC videos and mine look so raggedy-ass. <br>>
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