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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN class=720323416-23092008>Try leading 
with the elevator first for '9.5's', or like my '9' snaps, just go to the 
corners at the same time.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<P><FONT 
size=2>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR>www.jasonshulman.com<BR>www.shulmanaviation.com<BR>www.composite-arf.com<BR></FONT></P>
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  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> 
  nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org 
  [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Bob 
  Wilson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:24 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 
  aabdu@sbcglobal.net; General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: 
  [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>Ah..ha, just as I suspected.&nbsp; The conversation got out of hand, but 
  sure is enjoyable reading.</DIV>
  <DIV>Obviously, my snap roll technique was flawed and I can't wait for flying 
  tonight so I can work on the improvements.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Thanks guys</DIV>
  <DIV>bw<BR><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Anthony Abdullah 
  <SPAN dir=ltr>&lt;<A 
  href="mailto:aabdu@sbcglobal.net">aabdu@sbcglobal.net</A>&gt;</SPAN> 
wrote:<BR>
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        <TD vAlign=top>I like that idea!! The rudder could even be mixed to 
          low throttle so&nbsp;each half moves in opposite directions for 
          downline braking, or would that just cause the plane to spin, which 
          could also be cool.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 9/23/08, <A 
          href="mailto:rcmaster199@aol.com" 
          target=_blank>rcmaster199@aol.com</A> <I>&lt;<A 
          href="mailto:rcmaster199@aol.com" 
          target=_blank>rcmaster199@aol.com</A>&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR>
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            <A href="mailto:rcmaster199@aol.com" 
            target=_blank>rcmaster199@aol.com</A> &lt;<A 
            href="mailto:rcmaster199@aol.com" 
            target=_blank>rcmaster199@aol.com</A>&gt; 
            <DIV class=Ih2E3d><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap 
            rolls<BR></DIV>To: <A href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com" 
            target=_blank>homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com</A>, <A 
            href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" 
            target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>Date: Tuesday, 
            September 23, 2008, 11:30 AM 
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            <DIV class=Wj3C7c><BR><BR><PRE>Woa Ed....A one piece rudder wouldn't move much at all so how could it 
scrape the bench....who are you trying to chide??

That gives me an idea....maybe we should build elevators as 1 piece and 
rudders as 2 piece. Split rudders will eliminate any belly or canopy 
pitching. If each half was driven with a separate servo on separate 
channels, they might be programmed to move differentially and eliminate 
roll couple also. QED!!

Just in case you forgot to trim your triangle, this is a simpler 
shearing of the hair

Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: krishlan fitzsimmons &lt;<A href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com" target=_blank>homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com</A>&gt;
To: General pattern discussion &lt;<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>&gt;
Sent: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 1:46 am
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls

Did you put the elevator upside down Ed? You have to make sure you put 
the non scraping side down..



Chris   &nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;

--- On Mon, 9/22/08, Ed Alt &amp;<A href="mailto:lt%3Bed_alt@hotmail.com" target=_blank>lt;ed_alt@hotmail.com</A>&amp;gt; wrote:
From: Ed Alt &amp;<A href="mailto:lt%3Bed_alt@hotmail.com" target=_blank>lt;ed_alt@hotmail.com</A>&amp;gt;
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls
To: "General pattern discussion" 
&amp;<A href="mailto:lt%3Bnsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>lt;nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>&amp;gt;
Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 10:03 PM






I just tried that.&nbsp;Something doesn't look
exactly right and the elevator is scraping the workbench now.&nbsp; What am 
I
doing wrong?&nbsp;
&nbsp;
Ed

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  JShulman

  To: General pattern discussion

  Sent:
 Monday, September 22, 2008 11:30
  PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap
  rolls


  swap rudder
  with elevator
  &nbsp;
  Regards,
Jason
<A href="http://www.jasonshulman.com/" target=_blank>www.jasonshulman.com</A>
<A href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com/" target=_blank>www.shulmanaviation.com</A>
<A href="http://www.composite-arf.com/" target=_blank>www.composite-arf.com</A>


    -----Original Message-----
From: <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
    [mailto:<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]On Behalf Of Bob
    Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:24 AM
To:
    General pattern discussion
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap
    rolls



     I'm probably opening this up for lots of discussion, but what is 
the
    correct technique for a snap?
    &nbsp;
     For an inside snap, I apply rudder a fraction before (same 
direction)
    aileron&nbsp;and up elevator.
     For an outside snap, I apply rudder a fraction before opposite 
aileron
    and down elevator.
    &nbsp;
    Problem is, I watch the big boys do snaps on my TOC&nbsp;videos and
    mine look so raggedy-ass.





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