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Thanks for submitting Ron. I have several things to update tonight and <br>I will make sure to post the last one.<br><br>Chris<br><br>Ron Van Putte wrote:<br>> Chris - I submitted a description of my airplane, but I'm afraid that <br>> you might have three different versions parked on the website. I kept <br>> finding changes I wanted to make after I submitted a version. Please <br>> delete all but the last one. Thanks.<br>><br>> Ron<br>><br>> On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:06 PM, chris moon wrote:<br>><br>>> Anthony.<br>>> Your question is exactly why I started the web site. There is no single<br>>> place to find the large amount of data that exists on battery and motor<br>>> longevity and performance. Everyone has their personal data and<br>>> experiences but unless you contact everyone flying electrics, you won't<br>>> be able to get a large enough sample of data to draw valid conclusions.<br>>> As far as batteries, I think you will find answers all over the board.<br>>> I know of some who have only had good performance from a set of<br>>> batteries for 20-30 cycles and others who have 200+ cycles on the same<br>>> type of batteries. What I am trying to do is see if the 20-30 cycles is<br>>> the norm, or is the 200 correct, or is the average somewhere in the<br>>> middle. Only a large enough sample will tell, and hopefully that will<br>>> happen. I know that many/most/ of the really low cycle life packs were<br>>> caused by mfg defects and were subsequently replaced by the mfg.<br>>> As far as the Flight Power F3A packs, the consensus is that they are<br>>> really strong for maybe 50 flights, then degrade quickly and the average<br>>> cycle life is probably 100 or less. I consider a pack run out if it<br>>> can't provide adequate power for normal contest flight. Not completely<br>>> dead, just too weak for a contest flight. For example, my Flight Power<br>>> F3A pack has 110 cycles and I consider it too weak now for a contest<br>>> flight. On the other hand, I have 2 sets of TP 5300 ProLites with 150+<br>>> cycles each and fly them regularly with good performance still.<br>>> Remember that the user has ultimate control over how well things work<br>>> over time. We can all list people who could never get glow motor XYZ to<br>>> run well while others have stellar performance over a long period of<br>>> time. Same for electrics. Everyone will agree that there is a definite<br>>> learning curve to electrics and the best way to ensure success at first<br>>> is to copy a setup and charging regimen that has been used by others<br>>> with success over time.<br>>><br>>> Chris<br>>><br>>><br>>> Anthony Abdullah wrote:<br>>>> I was looking at the site and noticed how quickly / few cycles it <br>>> takes for lipo performance to start to degrade (20-30 cycles in some <br>>> cases). Is the "premature" degradation on the site just a function of <br>>> a small sample or does performance on average start to decrease in as <br>>> few cycles?<br>>>><br>>>> What is the average number of cycles others are seeing with F3A <br>>> lipo packs before they start to lose capacity?<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> --- On Sun, 9/7/08, JEREMY CHINN wrote:<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>> From: JEREMY CHINN<br>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric pattern recommended <br>>> equipment<br>>>>> To: "General pattern discussion"<br>>>>> Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 6:55 PM<br>>>>> Chris Moon took the time to put up the new site<br>>>>><br>>>>> http://www.electric-f3a.com/<br>>>>><br>>>>> Lots of great information to be had there.> Date: Sun,<br>>>>> 7 Sep 2008 17:30:52 -0500> From:<br>>>>> glmiller3@suddenlink.net> To: aabdu@sbcglobal.net;<br>>>>> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> Subject: Re:<br>>>>> [NSRCA-discussion] Electric pattern recommended<br>>>>> equipment>> Anthony,>> I've used the Axi<br>>>>> 5330 F3A and the Dualsky 11T with very good results from<br>>>>> both. I think the AXI is a little stronger, but both are<br>>>>> plenty powerful. I usually run them with a 20X15 APC prop.<br>>>>> The CC85 and Jeti 99 spin controllers are both very good and<br>>>>> reliable. I prefer the Spin's myself, but I've used<br>>>>> both.>> For batteries, I prefer the Flightpower 5350<br>>>>> F3A packs....these have more capacity for their weight than<br>>>>> the higher discharge capacity packs - You don't need the<br>>>>> "C" rating, you need the "mah" rating-<br>>>>> my perspective anyway. The True battery 5000 ma packs are OK<br>>>>> for practice, but their availablity is spotty and they seem<br>>>>> to have differing dimensions between different<br>>>>> "lots".>> There is a new website the has<br>>>>> been started to collate various electric combo's--<br>>>>> I'm sure someone here will give the url shortly.><br>>>>><br>>>>>> G> ---- Anthony Abdullah<br>>>>>><br>>>>> wrote:>> =============> Hello everyone,> I<br>>>>> have decided that my next pattern plane / build will be<br>>>>> electric and I am doing my preliminary research before<br>>>>> starting to buy equipment (motor, ESC, batteries, prop,<br>>>>> E-motor mount) and could really use some help.>> My<br>>>>> goal for my first foray into electrics is to put together<br>>>>> proven reliable equipment that works and performs well as<br>>>>> complimentary components. I don't know as much about<br>>>>> electrics as I will need to, but I am sure that I will be<br>>>>> learning a lot as I go along. My expectations are that I<br>>>>> will be using a Lipo 10S pack of at least 5000 mah (will<br>>>>> this be enough?). I have often seen that people use the<br>>>>> Hacker C50 motors but also see a lot of other engines by<br>>>>> other manufacturers.>> Requirements:> 1. I do not<br>>>>> want to use a gear box so I will need a motor capable of<br>>>>> direct drive> 2. I want equipment where the components<br>>>>> will all work well together> 3. weight is always an<br>>>>> issue> 4. price is a consideration but third behind<br>>>>> reliability and performance>> I will be flying<br>>>>> advanced with the new airplane which will be purpose built<br>>>>> as an electric. If there is a website or other source of<br>>>>> useful information on electrics, I would like that as well.<br>>>>><br>>>>>>> Thanks in advance> Anthony>><br>>>>>>><br>>>>> _______________________________________________><br>>>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list><br>>>>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>>>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion><br>>>>><br>>>>>> _______________________________________________><br>>>>>><br>>>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list><br>>>>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>>>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<br>>>>> _________________________________________________________________<br>>>>> Get more out of the Web. 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