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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Realize this all varies but my
'89 Astro never gave me grief with majority of its 88,000 miles pulling 3,800 to
5,500# trailers plus the two 2m planes and field gear. Granted I never was a
speed demon but my rationale was hauling my workshop, sleeping quarters and
restaurant gave me the luxury of staying right at the action. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Ed, <EM>I work on these things everyday, if you buy a mit don't say
I didn't warn you. :)</EM></DIV>
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<DIV><EM>Dave, take a pencil eraser and clean the contacts on the doors,
btw has it blown the head gaskets yet? If not it most likely doesn't
have the 3.8 engine.</EM></DIV>
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<DIV>By far the Scaryvans give far less trouble than any other minivan
in the same class. Look at it this way, a mommymobile isn't anything
different than a pickup with a camper shell.</DIV>
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<DIV>Tim<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 8/11/08, Dave Burton
<I><burtona@atmc.net></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Dave Burton <burtona@atmc.net><BR>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling<BR>To: "'General
pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date:
Monday, August 11, 2008, 7:13 PM<BR><BR>
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use a Ford Windstar to carry mine and as much as I thought I would
dislike a minivan I got to say I like it a lot. I’ve had some
electrical issues too but limited to interior lights, door locks, and
power windows. I think it’s related to the sensors that tell the
computer when all the doors are closed. Mines a 1999 model so all that
electrical stuff is getting kinda aged now. But with 150K it still
runs great, burns no oil and gets 22-26 mpg depending on how heavy the
foot is. I’ll get another one when it dies. Carries 2 planes, gear,
luggage for my wife & I, tent, cooler, and lounge chairs to
contest easily.</SPAN></P></DIV>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Ed Alt<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 11, 2008 6:43
PM<BR><B>To:</B> jpavlick@idseng.com; General pattern
discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m
plane hauling</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'">All
valid points. The one thing I can't stand about the Dodge
stuff though, and I'm on my 4th and last one now, is that they
basically can't get the electrical gremlins out of the car.
Every one of mine has acted as if it is haunted in some way. I
can explain each of the unique behaviors that my 4 Caravan's have had,
but it just shouldn't be so. It's more stuff than is worth going
into here, but don't say I didn't warn you. You get what you pay
for. Next time, I'm looking at a Mitsubishi.<BR><BR>Ed</SPAN>
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Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:36:59 -0700<BR>From: jpavlick@idseng.com<BR>To:
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Small Car - 2 m plane hauling<BR><BR></SPAN>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'">Another
vote for the Caravan. I can honestly say that I love mine too.
The mileage figures everyone is claiming are right on. On my trip
to the NATs this year I saw 24 - 26 with the A/C on (and I
wasn't exactly driving at the speed limit). Around town you get about
18. PLENTY of room. I have Stow-N-Go on mine so I can fold the seats
right into the floor. When you do this you can get full 8' sheets of
plywood inside the van with the hatch closed. </SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'">Add a
hitch and you can tow an 18' big block Olds powered Jet boat. Try that
with a Prius!</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'">As for
the "soccer mom" image - just ride your Harley to work a few days a
week to make up for it! LOL</SPAN></P></DIV>
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I have the Grand Caravan. Two 2 meter planes are not a problem
even with a tent, chair and extra tool boxes. I never thought
that I would drive a mini van, but it is actually a pretty nice
vehicle to drive all the time. However, the kids I work
with call it the " loser cruiser". It's not real
sexy, but you get to haul stuff from Home Depot too.
Highway mileage is 26 with the A/C on. It's a better value
than the Town and Country(but not as nice).</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'">In a
message dated 8/11/2008 4:02:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jim.woodward@baesystems.com writes:</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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commute about 75 miles a day, then do about 100 miles of driving a
weekend for practice so I am on the road a lot. I am
thinking to down sizing one of my cars. At this point, I’m
thinking about these three:</SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'">Scion
XB, 28, hwy mileage </SPAN>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'">Honda
Fit, 34, hwy mileage </SPAN>
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HHR, 30 , hwy mileage </SPAN>
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these around $16,000 </SPAN></LI></OL>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'">Here
is a nice website that allows you to do car by car
comparisons. <A
title=http://scionbuyersguide.theautochannel.com/compare_details.php?car1=21667&car2=22687&car3=22711&car4
href="http://scionbuyersguide.theautochannel.com/compare_details.php?car1=21667&car2=22687&car3=22711&car4"
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– is something like the Dodge Grand Caravan the way do go, and
that is the biggest bang for the buck? </SPAN></P></DIV>
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ideas would be great. </SPAN></P></DIV>
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