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<DIV>By far the Scaryvans give far less trouble than any other minivan in the same class. Look at it this way, a mommymobile isn't anything different than a pickup with a camper shell.</DIV>
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<DIV>Tim<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 8/11/08, Dave Burton <I><burtona@atmc.net></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">I use a Ford Windstar to carry mine and as much as I thought I would dislike a minivan I got to say I like it a lot. I’ve had some electrical issues too but limited to interior lights, door locks, and power windows. I think it’s related to the sensors that tell the computer when all the doors are closed. Mines a 1999 model so all that electrical stuff is getting kinda aged now. But with 150K it still runs great, burns no oil and gets 22-26 mpg depending on how heavy the foot is. I’ll get another one when it dies. Carries 2 planes, gear, luggage for my wife & I, tent, cooler, and lounge chairs to contest easily.</SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'">All valid points. The one thing I can't stand about the Dodge stuff though, and I'm on my 4th and last one now, is that they basically can't get the electrical gremlins out of the car. Every one of mine has acted as if it is haunted in some way. I can explain each of the unique behaviors that my 4 Caravan's have had, but it just shouldn't be so. It's more stuff than is worth going into here, but don't say I didn't warn you. You get what you pay for. Next time, I'm looking at a Mitsubishi.<BR><BR>Ed</SPAN></DIV>
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