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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Yeah, It has the 3.8 engine. Had to replace the intake manifold
but no head gaskets yet.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Dave<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tim
Taylor<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 11, 2008 8:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Ed, <em>I work on these things everyday, if you buy a mit
don't say I didn't warn you. :)</em><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><em>Dave, take a pencil eraser and clean the contacts on
the doors, btw has it blown the head gaskets yet? If not it most likely
doesn't have the 3.8 engine.</em><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>By far the Scaryvans give far less trouble than any other
minivan in the same class. Look at it this way, a mommymobile isn't anything
different than a pickup with a camper shell.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Tim<br>
<br>
--- On <b>Mon, 8/11/08, Dave Burton <i><burtona@atmc.net></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>From: Dave Burton
<burtona@atmc.net><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling<br>
To: "'General pattern discussion'"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 7:13 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I
use a Ford Windstar to carry mine and as much as I thought I would dislike a
minivan I got to say I like it a lot. I’ve had some electrical issues too but
limited to interior lights, door locks, and power windows. I think it’s
related to the sensors that tell the computer when all the doors are closed.
Mines a 1999 model so all that electrical stuff is getting kinda aged now.
But with 150K it still runs great, burns no oil and gets 22-26 mpg depending
on how heavy the foot is. I’ll get another one when it dies. Carries 2
planes, gear, luggage for my wife & I, tent, cooler, and lounge chairs to
contest easily.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dave
Burton</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ed Alt<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 11, 2008 6:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> jpavlick@idseng.com; General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>All
valid points. The one thing I can't stand about the Dodge stuff
though, and I'm on my 4th and last one now, is that they basically can't get
the electrical gremlins out of the car. Every one of mine has acted as
if it is haunted in some way. I can explain each of the unique
behaviors that my 4 Caravan's have had, but it just shouldn't be so.
It's more stuff than is worth going into here, but don't say I didn't warn
you. You get what you pay for. Next time, I'm looking at a
Mitsubishi.<br>
<br>
Ed</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:36:59 -0700<br>
From: jpavlick@idseng.com<br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Another vote for
the Caravan. I can honestly say that I love mine too. The mileage
figures everyone is claiming are right on. On my trip to the
NATs this year I saw 24 - 26 with the A/C on (and I wasn't exactly
driving at the speed limit). Around town you get about 18. PLENTY of room. I
have Stow-N-Go on mine so I can fold the seats right into the floor. When you
do this you can get full 8' sheets of plywood inside the van with the hatch
closed. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Add a hitch and
you can tow an 18' big block Olds powered Jet boat. Try that with a Prius!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>As for the
"soccer mom" image - just ride your Harley to work a few days a
week to make up for it! LOL</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>John Pavlick</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><br>
<b><i>Snaproll4@aol.com</i></b> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Jim,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>
I have the Grand Caravan. Two 2 meter planes are not a problem even
with a tent, chair and extra tool boxes. I never thought that I would
drive a mini van, but it is actually a pretty nice vehicle to drive all the
time. However, the kids I work with call it the " loser
cruiser". It's not real sexy, but you get to haul stuff
from Home Depot too. Highway mileage is 26 with the A/C on. It's
a better value than the Town and Country(but not as nice).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Steve</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>In a message dated
8/11/2008 4:02:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jim.woodward@baesystems.com
writes:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi
Guys,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I
commute about 75 miles a day, then do about 100 miles of driving a weekend
for practice so I am on the road a lot. I am thinking to down sizing
one of my cars. At this point, I’m thinking about these three:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"'>Scion XB, 28, hwy mileage </span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"'>Honda Fit, 34, hwy mileage </span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"'>Chevy HHR, 30 , hwy mileage </span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"'>$ these around $16,000 </span><o:p></o:p></li>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Here is
a nice website that allows you to do car by car comparisons. <a
href="http://scionbuyersguide.theautochannel.com/compare_details.php?car1=21667&car2=22687&car3=22711&car4"
target="_blank"
title="http://scionbuyersguide.theautochannel.com/compare_details.php?car1=21667&car2=22687&car3=22711&car4"><u><span
style='color:blue'>http://scionbuyersguide.theautochannel.com/compare_details.php?car1=21667&car2=22687&car3=22711&car4</span></u></a>=</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>OR –
is something like the Dodge Grand Caravan the way do go, and that is the
biggest bang for the buck? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Any
ideas would be great. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Jim</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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