<DIV>Hi Tim,</DIV>
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<DIV>Unfortunately the movable tie downs on the back of the rear seats are gone in the '09 models.</DIV>
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<DIV>Chad<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Pascoe,Tim [Burlington]" <Tim.Pascoe@ec.gc.ca><BR>Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:27 am<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling<BR>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR><BR>> I have a Matrix, and it does indeed hold a full 2M with plug-in <BR>> wings. Front passenger seat folds down flat (forward) and has a <BR>> handy little plastic tray on the back to catch the oil drips :) <BR>> Back seats also fold down flat individually, and the cargo area <BR>> and back of the seats are plastic as well. Another nice little <BR>> feature is the set of moveable tie-downs in tracks running back <BR>> to front in the cargo area, to secure an airplane stand. You can <BR>> also put the plane in with a passenger, but you have to watch <BR>> the prop between the front seats when you shoulder check!<BR>> <BR>> Tim Pascoe <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-<BR>> discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of rcmaster199@aol.com<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:10 AM<BR>> To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org; timsautopro@yahoo.com<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling<BR>> <BR>> Is anyone looking at the Toyota Matrix as a potential candidate? <BR>> Seems <BR>> that it should have enough room for one 2 meter model <BR>> (plug in wings <BR>> only), if the front seat lays down flat. I wanted to look at <BR>> this as an <BR>> alternative to the grand caravan I'm driving now, assuming the <BR>> mileage <BR>> was 50% better.<BR>> <BR>> The PT Cruiser definitely will hold a full 2 meter. My friend in <BR>> FLA <BR>> used one for several years. With the 4-banger, he was getting <BR>> around 30 <BR>> mpg.<BR>> <BR>> I had a Ford Windstar with the 3.8 and as Tim mentioned, it blew <BR>> its <BR>> gasket at around 75K. Very distasteful experience.<BR>> <BR>> MattK<BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: Ed Alt <ed_alt@hotmail.com><BR>> To: timsautopro@yahoo.com; General pattern discussion <BR>> <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>> Sent: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:02 pm<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling<BR>> <BR>> So if I get another one, I might achieve a 20% success rate? <BR>> Thanks <BR>> anyhow!<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:29:34 -0700<BR>> From: timsautopro@yahoo.com<BR>> To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Ed, I work on these things everyday, if you buy a mit don't say <BR>> I <BR>> didn't warn you. :)<BR>> <BR>> Dave, take a pencil eraser and clean the contacts on the doors, <BR>> btw has <BR>> it blown the head gaskets yet? If not it most likely doesn't <BR>> have the <BR>> 3.8 engine.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> By far the Scaryvans give far less trouble20than any other <BR>> minivan in <BR>> the same class. Look at it this way, a mommymobile isn't <BR>> anything <BR>> different than a pickup with a camper shell.<BR>> <BR>> Tim<BR>> <BR>> --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dave Burton <burtona@atmc.net> wrote:<BR>> <BR>> From: Dave Burton <burtona@atmc.net><BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling<BR>> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <BR>> <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>> Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 7:13 PM<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I use a Ford Windstar to carry mine and as much as I thought I <BR>> would <BR>> dislike a minivan I got to say I like it a lot. I’ve had some <BR>> electrical issues too but limited to interior lights, door <BR>> locks, and <BR>> power windows. I think it’s related to the sensors that tell the <BR>> computer when all the doors are closed. Mines a 1999 model so <BR>> all that <BR>> electrical stuff is getting kinda aged now. But with 150K it <BR>> still runs <BR>> great, burns no oil and gets 22-26 mpg depending on how heavy <BR>> the foot <BR>> is. I’ll get another one when it dies. Carries 2 planes, gear, <BR>> luggage <BR>> for my wife & I, tent, cooler, and lounge chairs to contest easily.<BR>> Dave Burton<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org <BR>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of <BR>> Ed Alt<BR>> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 6:43 PM<BR>> To: jpavlick@idseng.com; General pattern discussion<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> All valid points. The on<BR>> e thing I can't stand about the Dodge stuff <BR>> though, and I'm on my 4th and last one now, is that they <BR>> basically <BR>> can't get the electrical gremlins out of the car. Every one of <BR>> mine <BR>> has acted as if it is haunted in some way. I can explain each <BR>> of the <BR>> unique behaviors that my 4 Caravan's have had, but it just <BR>> shouldn't be <BR>> so. It's more stuff than is worth going into here, but don't <BR>> say I <BR>> didn't warn you. You get what you pay for. Next time, I'm <BR>> looking at <BR>> a Mitsubishi.<BR>> <BR>> Ed<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:36:59 -0700<BR>> From: jpavlick@idseng.com<BR>> To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Another vote for the Caravan. I can honestly say that I love <BR>> mine too. <BR>> The mileage figures everyone is claiming are right on. On <BR>> my trip to <BR>> the NATs this year I saw 24 - 26 with the A/C on (and I wasn't <BR>> exactly <BR>> driving at the speed limit). Around town you get about 18. <BR>> PLENTY of <BR>> room. I have Stow-N-Go on mine so I can fold the seats right <BR>> into the <BR>> floor. When you do this you can get full 8' sheets of plywood <BR>> inside <BR>> the van with the hatch closed.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Add a hitch and you can tow an 18' big block Olds powered Jet <BR>> boat. Try <BR>> that with a Prius!<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> As for the "soccer mom" image - just ride your Harley to work a <BR>> few <BR>> days a week to make up for it! LOL<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> John Pavlick<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Snaproll4@aol.com wrote:<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Jim,<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I have the Grand Caravan. Two 2 meter planes are not a <BR>> problem <BR>> even with a tent, chair and extra tool boxes. I never thought <BR>> that I <BR>> would drive a mini van, but it is actually a pretty nice vehicle <BR>> to <BR>> drive all the time. However, the kids I work with call it the <BR>> " loser <BR>> cruiser". It's not real sexy, but you get to haul stuff from <BR>> Home <BR>> Depot too. Highway mileage is 26 with the A/C on. It's a <BR>> better value <BR>> than the Town and Country(but not as nice).<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Steve<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> In a message dated 8/11/2008 4:02:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>> jim.woodward@baesystems.com writes:<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Hi Guys,<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I commute about 75 miles a day, then do about 100 miles of <BR>> driving a <BR>> weekend for practice so I am on the road a lot. I am thinking <BR>> to down <BR>> sizing one of my cars. At this point, I’m thinking about <BR>> these three:<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Scion XB, 28, hwy mileage<BR>> <BR>> Honda Fit, 34, hwy mileage<BR>> <BR>> Chevy HHR, 30 , hwy mileage<BR>> <BR>> $ these around $16,000<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Here is a nice website that allows you to do car by car <BR>> comparisons. <BR>> http://scionbuyersguide.theautochannel.com/compare_details.php?car1=21667&car2=22687&car3=22711&car4=<BR>> <BR>> =0<BR>> D<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> OR – is something like the Dodge Grand Caravan the way do go, <BR>> and <BR>> that is the biggest bang for the buck? <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Any ideas would be great. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Thanks,<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Jim<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? <BR>> Read <BR>> reviews on AOL Autos.<BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Got Game? 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