<DIV>Yes, I liked them as well in my previous Matrix, but some genious at Toyota decided that no slip rubber pads were just as good at restraining cargo....?</DIV>
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<DIV>I will arrive at the field in Lindsay on the 29th sometime with Ivan in his motorhome, so see you then.</DIV>
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<DIV>Chad<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Pascoe,Tim [Burlington]" <Tim.Pascoe@ec.gc.ca><BR>Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:10 am<BR>Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling<BR>To: chad@f3acanada.org, General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR><BR>> That’s really too bad. It’s a great feature in my ’07 that I’ve <BR>> always thought would be a benefit in a lot of other vehicles as <BR>> well. See you in Lindsay at the trials…….<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Tim<BR>> <BR>> ________________________________<BR>> <BR>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-<BR>> discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Chad Northeast<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:59 AM<BR>> To: General pattern discussion<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Hi Tim,<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Unfortunately the movable tie downs on the back of the rear <BR>> seats are gone in the '09 models.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Chad<BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: "Pascoe,Tim [Burlington]" <Tim.Pascoe@ec.gc.ca><BR>> Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:27 am<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling<BR>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>> <BR>> > I have a Matrix, and it does indeed hold a full 2M with plug-<BR>> in <BR>> > wings. Front passenger seat folds down flat (forward) and has <BR>> a <BR>> > handy little plastic tray on the back to catch the oil drips <BR>> :) <BR>> > Back seats also fold down flat individually, and the cargo <BR>> area <BR>> > and back of the seats are plastic as well. Another nice little <BR>> > feature is the set of moveable tie-downs in tracks running <BR>> back <BR>> > to front in the cargo area, to secure an airplane stand. You <BR>> can <BR>> > also put the plane in with a passenger, but you have to watch <BR>> > the prop between the front seats when you shoulder check!<BR>> > <BR>> > Tim Pascoe <BR>> > <BR>> > -----Original Message-----<BR>> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-<BR>> > discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of rcmaster199@aol.com<BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:10 AM<BR>> > To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org; timsautopro@yahoo.com<BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling<BR>> > <BR>> > Is anyone looking at the Toyota Matrix as a potential <BR>> candidate? <BR>> > Seems <BR>> > that it should have enough room for one 2 meter model <BR>> > (plug in wings <BR>> > only), if the front seat lays down flat. I wanted to look at <BR>> > this as an <BR>> > alternative to the grand caravan I'm driving now, assuming the <BR>> > mileage <BR>> > was 50% better.<BR>> > <BR>> > The PT Cruiser definitely will hold a full 2 meter. My friend <BR>> in <BR>> > FLA <BR>> > used one for several years. With the 4-banger, he was getting <BR>> > around 30 <BR>> > mpg.<BR>> > <BR>> > I had a Ford Windstar with the 3.8 and as Tim mentioned, it <BR>> blew <BR>> > its <BR>> > gasket at around 75K. Very distasteful experience.<BR>> > <BR>> > MattK<BR>> > <BR>> > -----Original Message-----<BR>> > From: Ed Alt <ed_alt@hotmail.com><BR>> > To: timsautopro@yahoo.com; General pattern discussion <BR>> > <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>> > Sent: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:02 pm<BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling<BR>> > <BR>> > So if I get another one, I might achieve a 20% success <BR>> rate? <BR>> > Thanks <BR>> > anyhow!<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:29:34 -0700<BR>> > From: timsautopro@yahoo.com<BR>> > To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Ed, I work on these things everyday, if you buy a mit don't <BR>> say <BR>> > I <BR>> > didn't warn you. :)<BR>> > <BR>> > Dave, take a pencil eraser and clean the contacts on the <BR>> doors, <BR>> > btw has <BR>> > it blown the head gaskets yet? If not it most likely doesn't <BR>> > have the <BR>> > 3.8 engine.<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > By far the Scaryvans give far less trouble20than any other <BR>> > minivan in <BR>> > the same class. Look at it this way, a mommymobile isn't <BR>> > anything <BR>> > different than a pickup with a camper shell.<BR>> > <BR>> > Tim<BR>> > <BR>> > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dave Burton <burtona@atmc.net> wrote:<BR>> > <BR>> > From: Dave Burton <burtona@atmc.net><BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling<BR>> > To: "'General pattern discussion'" <BR>> > <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>> > Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 7:13 PM<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > I use a Ford Windstar to carry mine and as much as I thought I <BR>> > would <BR>> > dislike a minivan I got to say I like it a lot. I’ve had some <BR>> > electrical issues too but limited to interior lights, door <BR>> > locks, and <BR>> > power windows. I think it’s related to the sensors that tell <BR>> the <BR>> > computer when all the doors are closed. Mines a 1999 model so <BR>> > all that <BR>> > electrical stuff is getting kinda aged now. But with 150K it <BR>> > still runs <BR>> > great, burns no oil and gets 22-26 mpg depending on how heavy <BR>> > the foot <BR>> > is. I’ll get another one when it dies. Carries 2 planes, gear, <BR>> > luggage <BR>> > for my wife & I, tent, cooler, and lounge chairs to contest easily.<BR>> > Dave Burton<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org <BR>> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of <BR>> > Ed Alt<BR>> > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 6:43 PM<BR>> > To: jpavlick@idseng.com; General pattern discussion<BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > All valid points. The on<BR>> > e thing I can't stand about the Dodge stuff <BR>> > though, and I'm on my 4th and last one now, is that they <BR>> > basically <BR>> > can't get the electrical gremlins out of the car. Every <BR>> one of <BR>> > mine <BR>> > has acted as if it is haunted in some way. I can explain <BR>> each <BR>> > of the <BR>> > unique behaviors that my 4 Caravan's have had, but it just <BR>> > shouldn't be <BR>> > so. It's more stuff than is worth going into here, but <BR>> don't <BR>> > say I <BR>> > didn't warn you. You get what you pay for. Next <BR>> time, I'm <BR>> > looking at <BR>> > a Mitsubishi.<BR>> > <BR>> > Ed<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:36:59 -0700<BR>> > From: jpavlick@idseng.com<BR>> > To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Another vote for the Caravan. I can honestly say that I love <BR>> > mine too. <BR>> > The mileage figures everyone is claiming are right on. On <BR>> > my trip to <BR>> > the NATs this year I saw 24 - 26 with the A/C on (and I wasn't <BR>> > exactly <BR>> > driving at the speed limit). Around town you get about 18. <BR>> > PLENTY of <BR>> > room. I have Stow-N-Go on mine so I can fold the seats right <BR>> > into the <BR>> > floor. When you do this you can get full 8' sheets of plywood <BR>> > inside <BR>> > the van with the hatch closed.<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Add a hitch and you can tow an 18' big block Olds powered Jet <BR>> > boat. Try <BR>> > that with a Prius!<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > As for the "soccer mom" image - just ride your Harley to work <BR>> a <BR>> > few <BR>> > days a week to make up for it! LOL<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > John Pavlick<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Snaproll4@aol.com wrote:<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Jim,<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > I have the Grand <BR>> Caravan. Two 2 meter planes are not a <BR>> > problem <BR>> > even with a tent, chair and extra tool boxes. I never <BR>> thought <BR>> > that I <BR>> > would drive a mini van, but it is actually a pretty nice <BR>> vehicle <BR>> > to <BR>> > drive all the time. However, the kids I work with <BR>> call it the <BR>> > " loser <BR>> > cruiser". It's not real sexy, but you get to haul <BR>> stuff from <BR>> > Home <BR>> > Depot too. Highway mileage is 26 with the A/C on. <BR>> It's a <BR>> > better value <BR>> > than the Town and Country(but not as nice).<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Steve<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > In a message dated 8/11/2008 4:02:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight <BR>> Time, <BR>> > jim.woodward@baesystems.com writes:<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Hi Guys,<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > I commute about 75 miles a day, then do about 100 miles of <BR>> > driving a <BR>> > weekend for practice so I am on the road a lot. I am <BR>> thinking <BR>> > to down <BR>> > sizing one of my cars. At this point, I’m thinking <BR>> about <BR>> > these three:<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Scion XB, 28, hwy mileage<BR>> > <BR>> > Honda Fit, 34, hwy mileage<BR>> > <BR>> > Chevy HHR, 30 , hwy mileage<BR>> > <BR>> > $ these around $16,000<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Here is a nice website that allows you to do car by car <BR>> > comparisons. <BR>> > <BR>> http://scionbuyersguide.theautochannel.com/compare_details.php?car1=21667&car2=22687&car3=22711&car4=> <BR>> > =0<BR>> > D<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > OR – is something like the Dodge Grand Caravan the way do <BR>> go, <BR>> > and <BR>> > that is the biggest bang for the buck? <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Any ideas would be great. <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Thanks,<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Jim<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > _______________________________________________<BR>> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>> > NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? <BR>> > Read <BR>> > reviews on AOL Autos.<BR>> > <BR>> > _______________________________________________<BR>> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>> > NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Got Game? 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