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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Tim,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>See a guy goes to the trouble to warn ya. Tries to share
the love....and you gotta still do it your own way...I see how it works
now....Now I have to write a little thing to explain it....If you would have
just listened the first time yadayadayada.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>This is a JOKE don't mis-interpret it as anything other
than a JOKE.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The balance function is pretty cool but the manual doesn't
mention much about it. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Make sure you are on a D/R that is 100% for now and your
Expo is at zero for now. Right elevator into the elevator channel and
left elevator into the mated channel. Mine is ch8 because it was on 10X
before.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The balance function is a curve mix basically...but it
doesn't give you a graph to reference. You have a middle and then 3 points on
each side of middle. These points are equally spaced. The last one is the end
point stop.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>So you need to use move the elevator to the point where the
adjustment happens. I used the little white dots on my gimbals...hold the stick
in that position and dial the % needed.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>This is very fine adjustment and the surface only moves a
little.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>P-N is neutral</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>P-1 on the screen is on the up side about 2 dots up off
center</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>P-U is almost to the end of the sticks travel at about
dot3-4 up off center</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>P>1 is the end point.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The right elevator will be the one that adjusts in this
setup.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>downside of the elevator</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>P-N is still neutral</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>P-2 is 2 dots down off center</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>P-D is near full down elevator 3-4dots off
center</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>P>D is full down elevator.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>So with your pointers on the elevators...you setup the
linkage and travel adjust to get them as absolutely close as possible.
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Doing that say the right is ahead slightly at the first
curve point....so you would use a "minus" number to reduce its "high value of
travel." Hold the stick in the position about 2 dots and use the scroll bar to
tweak it. Then release the stick to Neutral and pull or push through that
point on the curve again and see if the "servo is balanced." play with it some
more once you get the travel paired up from center to about the 3rd dot then go
to the next value and adjust at the 3rd dot. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>A good setup would keep the center value at zero P-N as you
setup your neutrals and linkages properly to begin with use of subtrim and good
geometry. Also a good setup would have the end points P>U and P>D on the
screen as zero also...you set your travel adjust for these values. The values
you re setting are to reduce or increase the one surface at the given
point....Its not a control throw....it adds or subtracts the percentage to the
throw at that point. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>With a good setup you will be adjusting the 4 intermediate
points on the curve.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>NOTE: when you are in a D/R that is too low I think it will
affect when you get into each point. Meaning the curve is based on the servos
travel....not its stick movement. So is the servo is not moving 100% or expo is
affecting the output of the servo it will change where on the stick the point
occurs. So at 100% travel and 100% D/R the dot alignment would be correct or
very close to mine. If you were on low rate of 60% and then it has expo in it
too you might not ever hit the upper middle points. .....</FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The function
works like an ATV and is independent of stick position. So a function like dual
rates or expo curves will affect the output of the servo and the spacing of the
curve points. If you set it all up properly at 100% movement and 0% expo...Once
you have it dialed in then put your expos back into it and adjust your
rates and the elevators will still track. The expo and low rates just make it
hard to find the inflection points where the values actually adjust
on the output of the servo not the travel of the stick. You can still
find the points but they are tougher to locate when moving the stick on a Flight
mode that has say 60% travel. I was never able to get more than the first point
on the curve.....it just didn't adjust but putting it at 100% DR and )%
expo for the travel balancing setup up it works very
well. This is really a early on setup function....and should be done
when setting up linkages, subtrims and travel adjust values. This work usually
occurs before any rates or expos are setup.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Once you realize what is going on it works really slick.
The roller bar allows for very fine tuning....I would say 10% movement on the
balance screen is worth about 2% travel adjustment...Its very fine tuning for
sure.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=140503701-11082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Troy</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Tim
Taylor<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 10, 2008 6:13 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] 12X
programming Help<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Mr JR, aka Troy and everyone</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have a question about 12x
programming.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm trying to learn/use the "Balance:"
function.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm trying to balance twin elev servo's in
one of my Prolines (I'll never use two elev servo's again btw, I can see
Troy and Hester nodding their heads in agreement) :)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Using the balance program I can get neutral
centered and used end points to set max travel ends both ways. But I
failed getting the elev to move at all using the other points in
the setup. I get zero movement at any point other than neutral. Having
read and reread the manual several times I'm still unable to use this
function. Has anyone used this yet and can you enlighten me in how to get
it to work?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tim, AKA Mastertech on RCU</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>PS Check your 12x for the antenna cracking at
the base at the mount screw from the foam being too tight in
shipment. One of mine is, one
isn't.</FONT></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR></BODY></HTML>