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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm in 100% agreement with your programming
approach. ;>)</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=jpavlick@idseng.com href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">John
Pavlick</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 06, 2008 1:16
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Have we
lost our way? (Sorry, George,but your question inspired this)</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks for the tip Arch. That's going to make the programming (for the
"Double Weedon" switch) a bit harder. Let's see, maybe if I use a
recursive function call with a random number generator to create the seed
parameter... </DIV>
<DIV>Wait a minute we're not there yet. I guess I'll just have to wait for the
radio technology to catch up! </DIV>
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<DIV>John Pavlick</DIV>
<DIV><BR><B><I>Archie Stafford <astafford@swtexas.net></I></B>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
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The key to the double weedon was never being able to do it EXACTLY the same
way twice. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Michael Cohen<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, August 06, 2008 7:22
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Have we
lost our way? (Sorry, George, but your question inspired
this)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">They can't beat me
at a Double Weedon, I have that one mastered better than the
originator!<BR><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Date: Wed, 6 Aug
2008 08:44:39 -0700<BR>From: jpavlick@idseng.com<BR>To:
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Have we
lost our way? (Sorry, George, but your question inspired
this)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">I'm just sitting here flying
Pattern in my easy chair (I have Aerofly Pro on my
laptop)...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">In reality, I bet if you
ask Jason, Andrew, Brett, Dave L. or anybody at that level, how much they
use the magic bells and whistles in the radio versus how much they do with
their fingers, you'd probably be surprised. I bet you could hand
any of these guys an analog transmitter and they'd still out fly you. No
matter how much money you spend. :)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">John Pavlick<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Earl Haury
<ejhaury@comcast.net></SPAN></I></B>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Overall - pattern is alive and
well. Jeremy makes numerous good points, but I believe technology is more
the life of pattern than the demise.
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Don Dewey published an article
in the old RCM magazine in the early '70's predicting that with "modern"
radios soon a pattern flier would press a couple of buttons and the model
would execute a perfect pattern - all from the comfort of one's easy chair
- a "skyport" would open in the roof to allow viewing (no more flying
fields required). Of course this was nonsense then and still is. There are
way to many variable forces acting on an airplane to automate any given
maneuver for repeatable execution. There are closed loop systems that
might be able to handle the task - but they're already outside the
rules for obvious reasons.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">OTOH - I suspect a lot of us
are attracted to pattern for the technological challenge as much as for
aerobatics. Our equipment is tons better than it was years ago and the
sequences have advanced to take advantage. Electronic "gadgets" as mixes,
conditions, rates, expo, etc. are tools that us technophobes (and mere
mortals) try to use to gain a little on the talented. Take away the
technology and the elite become more separated from us
mortals!</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I would say that anyone who
yearns for the days of yore should consider CL Stunt - but good grief -
some of those guys are flying E! At least the sequence hasn't changed in
50+ years - egads, I'd find that boring!</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=lagrue@hotmail.com href="mailto:lagrue@hotmail.com">JEREMY
CHINN</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
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Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:18 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Have we lost our way? (Sorry, George, but your
question inspired this)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Helv
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Helv">I won't pretend
like I have enough experience to comment on the effects of what you
mentioned in Pattern, however I've been part of competition for a long
time and within many different realms, model aviation and other.....
<BR> <BR>The same thing happens in almost every sport. The sport is
created, technological innovation happens, at some point, someone
screams uncle because the amount of innovation has gone past their
comfort level. Everyone has their own comfort level, so usually rules
creation takes place when enough of the collective group is beyond their
comfort level with the particular issue at hand to force them to make up
a rule to combat that issue... <BR> <BR>Formula One auto racing had
traction control and ABS to deal with. <BR>Mountain biking went from
unsuspended bikes to fully suspended bikes.<BR>Olympic track cycling had
aerodynamic bikes (go read about Graham Obree to see how the rules
making can be detrimental to the sport)<BR>Bass fishing had to deal with
electronic fish finders. <BR> <BR>Freeflight has computerized
timers and actuation of the surfaces..... (is that still
freeflight?)<BR>Its pretty easy to say that any or all of those above
are cheating. The flip side of that says that someone had to take the
time to figure those 'tools' out and set them appropriately to get the
job done. <BR> <BR>IMHO, what tends to differentiate the things
above from the pilot actually flying his bird is the idea that it's
entirely possible for someone other than the pilot can set up the tool
or switch to do something that the pilot may not be able to do. IE,
Shulman moves the stick X% to do X maneuver, so my friend programs that
much deflection on the switch for me and Bang, I have a Shulman X
maneuver in my sequence. Yeah, I know that is an oversimplification, but
I think it makes the point. <BR> <BR>Have we lost our way? Nope....
Has our use of technology gone to far? Maybe, Probably,
Yes.<BR> <BR>BTW, at the next NATS, I'll be sitting off to the side
and will use a sophisticated recording device to snatch radio signals
from the air. Following the NATS, I will then be selling pre-formatted
mixes for each of the maneuvers in each sequence. This will come in
CAMPAC and SD Card formats for Futaba radios. To ensure the high zoot
pattern nature of the product, I will only record on carbonfiber molded
memory which I will source at great cost directly from
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region>. Somenzini,
Shulman, Jesky and Wickizer mixes will retail for about $400 ea. The
Chinn mixes will retail for $1.95 LOL! <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Date: Tue, 5
Aug 2008 21:06:35 -0700<BR>From: homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com<BR>To:
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Have
we lost our way? (Sorry, George, but your question inspired
this)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Sillyness.. <IMG id=_x0000_i1027 height=18
src="http://mail.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/03.gif" width=18
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I use a dual rate switch for more throw for
stall, spins and snaps. I don't use a snap switch or a spin switch.
I do use mixing. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">You are saying I shouldn't be allowed to use a
dual rate switch or a mix to help my poorly designed plane to fly a
little more like a better designed plane that alot of us can't afford
that takes less mix or could maybe get away with none?
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Sillyness Matt. <IMG id=_x0000_i1028 height=18
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Although, I'm not sure why people use a snap
switch. In my opinion it's so much easier to fly them with the sticks.
They present better IMO. Take for instance the 45 down, 1 1/2 snap.
Using a switch I see people way steeper than 45 as they let off the
switch. Why? Because the up ele is still held until the last second.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Switches don't make you a top pilot. Practice
and skill does.. If people need em, I say use em. That's why they are
there. For me, I'll stick with just a single dual rate switch..
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Sorry. Just my
thoughts... <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><EM><I><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Disclamer: These words are not to be used
against me in any way shape or form or a cloud will instantly form
over you while you are flying and you will get dumped on before you can
put away your gear. (Ruining your cell phone because it falls into a
puddle)</SPAN></FONT></I></EM><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Oh wait, that's what happened to us (D7) several
times while practicing at the nats..
lol<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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2008 8:19:10 PM<BR>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Have we lost our way?
(Sorry, George, but your question inspired this)<BR><BR>Call me crazy if
you want, but I'm getting sick of all these "conditions" <BR>being
allowed in pattern. The whole point of what we do puts emphasis on the
<BR>pilot being in control of the model at all times. It's one thing to
flip a <BR>switch to enable higher rates for a snap, stall, slow roll,
whatever. I <BR>think we're going too far with just pulling the stick
past 90 degrees to <BR>instill a snap "condition" that will
automatically perform a snap roll with <BR>the programmed inputs. In the
rules it states that you can't have a "timed" <BR>switch, witch
basically was put in to avoid people from programming a snap <BR>switch
that gave the elevator a slight lead on all the other inputs.
<BR>Allowing the elevator (or any other) stick to provide this same
advantage is <BR>tantamount to cheating, it just happens to pass the
current rules test. The <BR>more I hear about people putting these types
of conditions that are merely <BR>contingent on stick position, the more
I think it's coming time for a rules <BR>change to stop it. We're
supposed to be better than this. I'm probably <BR>waaaay out on a limb
by myself here, but from where I sit having started in <BR>pattern back
in the late 80's, I think we're losing our way by allowing <BR>computers
to perform operations that should be required by the pilots. I <BR>don't
even believe in programmed mixes and avoid them like the
plague.<BR><BR>Matt<BR><BR>P.S. Before anyone who knows me asks, yes, I
did fly a Genesis, and yes I <BR>did have elevator to rudder mix on
that... hopefully my next plane won't <BR>suck like that...
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