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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anthony
Abdullah<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 120 AC issues UPDATE<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I don't know if someone suggested this or not, but I had a
similar problem with a 120FZ and it turned out to be a bad head shim.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Good luck with it<br>
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<b><i>Michael Cohen <precisionaero@hotmail.com></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Surging after 5 minutes or so wound up being caused by a
worn piston for me way back when. Once the engine heats up, it allowed
the piston to wobble causing a mid range surging that limited max power.
If you can get your hands on a "slug" piston, without all the weight
saving machining done to the skirt, you would be better off, but a lighter
piston will be OK, it just won't last as long. Of course, when changing
out the piston, use a new piston ring. <br>
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:15:47 -0400<br>
From: schale@optonline.net<br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 120 AC issues UPDATE<br>
<br>
I want to thank everyone for their suggestions. Too many possibilities :)<br>
First thing I did was to change the liner and the exhaust. Replaced tank
internals. Decided to run it on the ground at home and save a trip to the
field.<br>
After 5 minutes or so flying issue was reproduced. Motor started surging
and would not go to full throttle from idle. Needle valve setting didn't
seem to matter. Switch to 30% heli fuel no difference.<br>
Changed both check valves no change. Took the motor out again swapped the
original liner back in and checked the regulator. <br>
-Bingo the edges of the silicone diaphragm are frayed. Replaced the
entire regulator unit with one from an un-run 120AC (thanks Norm S.) figured
that had to be the cause.<br>
No change still surging and no power after heating up. The motor still
turns free, no binding so although I will try a different piston and front
bearing I do not believe that to be the issue.<br>
APC 14x12 used for all of today's tests.<br>
I think I will put a well used but last time ran fine 120 in it and try to
diagnose this motor on the test stand.. I'll see if the same issue crops
up with a different motor.<br>
<br>
Stuart C.<br>
<br>
William C. Harden wrote: <br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>I ran an APC 15 X 10 on my YS120 AC engine with 30% nitro (Cool
Power). </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stuart Chale<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 120 AC issues</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Various props from 13.5x14 to 15x8<br>
I would think the 13.5x14 would be under propped so shouldn't have been an
issue.<br>
Stuart<br>
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Paul LaChance wrote: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Here is a stupid question, but what size prop are you
running? Is the engine fully broken in? Just a thought. Had
similar issues with a 170 DZ.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:black'>----- Original Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:KTHOMPSON56@satx.rr.com" title="KTHOMPSON56@satx.rr.com">Ken
Thompson</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:black'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>
<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>
Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:55 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 120 AC issues</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>I had the same problem with a 91AC a few years ago, like Ron, it
turned out to be the front bearing.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>----- Original Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:ronclark51@comcast.net" title="ronclark51@comcast.net">ronclark51@comcast.net</a>
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color:black'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>
<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>
Sunday, July 13, 2008 8:46 AM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 120 AC issues</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>I've had the same problem before.
It was the front bearing. The bearing heats up the front of the motor, then the
regulator, vaporizing the fuel. Better known as vapor lock.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>-------------- Original message
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From: Stuart Chale <<a href="mailto:schale@optonline.net">schale@optonline.net</a>>
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I wouldn't have thought about the pipe. I should have another.<br>
Thanks,<br>
Stuart<br>
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<a href="mailto:RUDDERCABL@aol.com">RUDDERCABL@aol.com</a> wrote: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>In a message dated 7/12/2008 11:33:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <a
href="mailto:schale@optonline.net">schale@optonline.net</a> writes:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>I'll have to pull it a part again and see if I see anything with
the sleeve.<br>
Anyone else have any thoughts?<br>
Thanks,<br>
Stu</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Try a different pipe. I know a flyer who had this same problem
some years ago, not with an AC though. He tried everything and the problem kept
hounding him. Turned out that the pipe was plugging up when it heated up and
restricting the exhuast flow. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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