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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Valve adjustment? How does the compression feel
when it's hot? Just a thought...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Trying another engine is not a bad idea because
that will at least tell you if it's the engine or the airplane / fuel system
/ exhaust / etc. If the other engine runs fine, you know it was
definitely a problem with the original one. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A
href="http://www.idseng.com">http://www.idseng.com</A></FONT></DIV>
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<A title=schale@optonline.net href="mailto:schale@optonline.net">Stuart
Chale</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 14, 2008 8:15 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 120 AC
issues UPDATE</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I want to thank everyone for their suggestions. Too many
possibilities :)<BR>First thing I did was to change the liner and the
exhaust. Replaced tank internals. Decided to run it on the ground
at home and save a trip to the field.<BR>After 5 minutes or so flying issue
was reproduced. Motor started surging and would not go to full throttle
from idle. Needle valve setting didn't seem to matter. Switch to
30% heli fuel no difference.<BR>Changed both check valves no change.
Took the motor out again swapped the original liner back in and checked the
regulator. <BR>-Bingo the edges of the silicone diaphragm are
frayed. Replaced the entire regulator unit with one from an un-run 120AC
(thanks Norm S.) figured that had to be the cause.<BR>No change still surging
and no power after heating up. The motor still turns free, no binding so
although I will try a different piston and front bearing I do not believe that
to be the issue.<BR>APC 14x12 used for all of today's tests.<BR>I think I will
put a well used but last time ran fine 120 in it and try to diagnose this
motor on the test stand. I'll see if the same issue crops up with a
different motor.<BR><BR>Stuart C.<BR><BR>William C. Harden wrote:
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I ran an APC 15 X
10 on my YS120 AC engine with 30% nitro (Cool Power).
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Stuart
Chale<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, July
13, 2008 9:52 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
<ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on">General pattern
discussion</ST1:PERSONNAME><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 120 AC
issues</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Various props from 13.5x14 to 15x8<BR>I would think
the 13.5x14 would be under propped so shouldn't have been an
issue.<BR>Stuart<BR><BR>Paul LaChance wrote: <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Here is a stupid question, but
what size prop are you running? Is the engine fully broken in?
Just a thought. Had similar issues with a 170
DZ.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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title=KTHOMPSON56@satx.rr.com href="mailto:KTHOMPSON56@satx.rr.com"
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title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
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Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:55 PM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] 120 AC issues<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I had the same problem with a
91AC a few years ago, like Ron, it turned out to be the front
bearing.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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Sunday, July 13, 2008 8:46 AM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] 120 AC issues<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I've had the same problem before. It was the
front bearing. The bearing heats up the front of the motor, then the
regulator, vaporizing the fuel. Better known as vapor
lock.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">-------------- Original message
-------------- <BR>From: Stuart Chale <<A
href="mailto:schale@optonline.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">schale@optonline.net</A>> <BR>I wouldn't
have thought about the pipe. I should have
another.<BR>Thanks,<BR>Stuart<BR><BR><A
href="mailto:RUDDERCABL@aol.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">RUDDERCABL@aol.com</A> wrote:
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT id=role_document face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In a message
dated 7/12/2008 11:33:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <A
href="mailto:schale@optonline.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">schale@optonline.net</A>
writes:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'll have to pull it a
part again and see if I see anything with the sleeve.<BR>Anyone else
have any
thoughts?<BR>Thanks,<BR>Stu<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sure
do.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Try a different pipe. I
know a flyer who had this same problem some years ago, not with an AC
though. He tried everything and the problem kept hounding him. Turned
out that the pipe was plugging up when it heated up and restricting
the exhuast flow. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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