<table cellspacing='0' cellpadding='0' border='0' ><tr><td valign='top' style='font: inherit;'>I guess I meant a 60 like in the 6 sided loopy's.. <br><img src="http://mail.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/03.gif"><br><br><div><strong><em><font color="#0000bf" face="comic sans ms" size="3">Chris </font></em></strong></div>  <div>&nbsp;</div>  <div>&nbsp;</div>  <div>&nbsp;</div><br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 7/9/08, James Oddino <i>&lt;joddino@socal.rr.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">From: James Oddino &lt;joddino@socal.rr.com&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The Magic Angle &gt; Off topic: independence day<br>To: "General pattern discussion" &lt;nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org&gt;<br>Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 3:45 PM<br><br><div id="yiv1548242383">In what plane? &nbsp;If it is in the same vertical plane as the observer it looks like a vertical
 line.<div><br></div><div>The real question is should it be a 60 degree angle or look like one?<br><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 9, 2008, at 3:27 PM, Lisa &amp; Larry wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="Section1"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Ok…What does a 60 degree angle look like from a 30 degree angle down the runway and a 20 degree angle up off of the
 ground…?</span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> &nbsp;</span></font></div><ol start="1" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in;" type="a"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; color: navy; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">A 45 Degree Angle</span></font></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; color: navy; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">A 60 Degree Angle</span></font></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; color: navy; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
 size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">A 32.67852374 Degree Angle</span></font></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; color: navy; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">None of the Above</span></font></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; color: navy; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">I don’t know what you’re talking about</span></font></li></ol><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> &nbsp;</span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
 size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">This is why I’m stuck in Intermediate…I will never figure this out…VBG…I vote “e”…</span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> &nbsp;</span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Larry Diamond</span></font><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">
 &nbsp;</span></font></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; text-align: center; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" align="center"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><hr tabindex="-1" align="center" size="2" width="100%"></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"><span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
 href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></b>krishlan fitzsimmons<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Wednesday, July 09, 2008 9:06 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span> General pattern discussion<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Off topic: independence day</span></font></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">
 &nbsp;</span></font></div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="padding: 0in;" valign="top"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">And let's discuss what a 60 degree angle looks like...... And.....<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><img id="_x0000_i1025" src="http://mail.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/04.gif" height="18" width="18"></span></font></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><em><b><i><font color="#0000bf" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: rgb(0, 0, 191); font-weight: bold;">Chris</span></font></i></b></em></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New
 Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">&nbsp;</span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">&nbsp;</span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">&nbsp;</span></font></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br><br>--- On<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Wed, 7/9/08, Ron Van Putte<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><i><span style="font-style: italic;">&lt;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration:
 underline;">vanputte@cox.net</a>&gt;</span></i></span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>wrote:</span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">From: Ron Van Putte &lt;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">vanputte@cox.net</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Off topic: independence day<br>To: " General pattern discussion " &lt;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>&gt;<br>Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 6:53 AM</span></font></div><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Yeah, lets quit talking
 about that.&nbsp; Plus, let's not talk about spins&nbsp; <br><br>and snaps.&nbsp; Let's talk about how to judge the eight different radii </span></font></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">&nbsp;<br><br>in the Square Horizontal Eight.&nbsp; Since, in the latest vote on rule&nbsp; <br><br>changes, RCA-09-3 failed, we need to train judges that 1. The first&nbsp; <br><br>radius does not set the standard,&nbsp;&nbsp; 2.&nbsp; They have to decide what&nbsp; <br><br>radius represents most of the radii in the maneuver,&nbsp; 3.&nbsp; They must&nbsp; <br><br>determine how each radius deviates from this standard and assign a&nbsp; <br><br>downgrade,&nbsp; 4.&nbsp; They then must add up all the downgrades and subtract&nbsp; <br><br>the sum of the downgrades from 10 and 5.&nbsp; They must write the score&nbsp; <br><br>down on the scoresheet before
 the airplane enters the next maneuver.&nbsp;&nbsp; <br><br>Nothing to it; it just takes a little training.<br><br>  <br><br>Ron VP<br><br>  <br><br>On Jul 8, 2008, at 10:41 PM, Wayne Galligan wrote:<br><br>  <br><br>&gt; Now we are back to the driveway, parkway thing huh?<br><br>&gt;<br><br>&gt; WG<br><br>&gt; ----- Original Message -----<br><br>&gt; From: Keith Hoard<br><br>&gt; To: General pattern discussion<br><br>&gt; Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:50 AM<br><br>&gt; Subject: Re:</span></font></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> [NSRCA-discussion] Off topic: independence day<br><br>&gt;<br><br>&gt; "Then I stopped in the middle of the road and went outside began&nbsp; <br><br>&gt; yelling at people to 'get the hell out of my driveway!!!' . .<br><br>."<br><br>&gt;<br><br>&gt; On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Wayne Galligan &lt;<a
 rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:wgalligan@att.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">wgalligan@att.net</a>&gt; <br><br>  <br><br>&gt; wrote:<br><br>&gt; Actually Steven Wright went home one night and put the key in the&nbsp; <br><br>&gt; door to the house to open it and it started.... so he drove it&nbsp; <br><br>&gt; around the block.<br><br>&gt;<br><br>&gt; WG<br><br>&gt;<br><br>&gt; ----- Original Message -----<br><br>&gt; From: Tim Taylor<br><br>&gt; To: General pattern discussion<br><br>&gt; Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 4:15 PM<br><br>&gt; Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Off topic: independence day<br><br>&gt;<br><br>&gt; Steven Wright not Carlin<br><br>&gt;<br><br>&gt; --- On Mon, 7/7/08, Ron Van Putte &lt;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">vanputte@cox.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>&gt; From: Ron Van Putte &lt;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
 href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">vanputte@cox.net</a>&gt;<br><br>&gt; Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Off topic:</span></font></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> independence day<br><br>&gt; To: " General pattern discussion "<br><br>&lt;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>&gt;<br><br>&gt; Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 3:08 PM<br><br>&gt;<br><br>&gt; Yeah, but as George Carlin once asked, "Why do we drive on the&nbsp; <br><br>&gt; parkway and park on the driveway?" Ron VP On Jul 7, 2008, at 12:54&nbsp; <br><br>&gt; PM, Anthony Abdullah wrote: &gt; Particularly considering a bra holds&nbsp; <br><br>&gt; a pair of... Well, you know &gt; what I am getting at. &gt;
 &gt; Bob&nbsp; <br><br>&gt; Richards &lt;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">bob@toprudder.com</a>&gt; wrote: &gt; I'm still waiting for<br><br>them to&nbsp; <br><br>&gt; burn pantys. &gt; &gt; BTW, how come is it a "pair of pantys"<br><br>but only&nbsp; <br><br>&gt; "one bra"??? &gt; &gt; Bob R &gt; &gt; --- On Mon, 7/7/08, Del &nbsp; <br><br>&gt; &lt;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">drykert2@rochester.rr.com</a>&gt; wrote: &gt; Hmmm `~ brings back memories<br><br>&nbsp;<br><br>&gt; when women insisted on burning their &gt; bra's... ~~ I never&nbsp; <br><br>&gt; complained~~ just raised my eyelids for closer &gt; observation..<br><br>&lt;g&gt;&nbsp; <br><br>&gt;</span></font></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';"><font face="Courier
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 &nbsp;<br><br>&gt; mailing list <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a> http:// <br><br>&gt; lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<br><br>&gt;<br><br>&gt;<br><br>&gt;<br><br>&gt; _______________________________________________<br><br>&gt; NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><br>&gt; <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><br>&gt; <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br><br>&gt;<br><br>&gt;</span></font></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';"><font face="Courier New"
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