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Jim:<br><br>Try less elevator. I had one plane that would do a sluggish snap and I <br>kept increasing elevator and it never helped. Then, I was told to try <br>less and it fixed it right away. Too much elevator is "too stalled" and <br>does not respond to the other inputs well.<br><br>Chris<br><br>J N Hiller wrote:<br>> Thanks Jim for the link and it's content. Great info. We finally got some<br>> decent flying weather here in the northwest and this afternoon I wanted to<br>> work on the 45 down snap. I have changed the set-up of last year's airplane<br>> to a more forward CG and re-trimmed pitch yesterday. I like it better but<br>> that $#%^* snap appears slow and sluggish almost resembling a barrel roll,<br>> exiting on about a 35 degree line. I am already using high rate elevator for<br>> spin entry and planned to increase the travel and use it for the snap as<br>> well. I have experienced heading changes due to excessive rudder in both the<br>> 45 down snap and avalanche and fear more elevator travel will cause more<br>> exit heading deviation and using more aileron may give the appearance of a<br>> fast aileron roll. Today's challenge and the judges will let me know<br>> Saturday morning.<br>> Thanks again for the link. I want to get back into some IMAC competition and<br>> have a 50-size Yak ready to fly but I need to get some quality pattern<br>> practice first.<br>> Scale airplanes snap a lot easier!<br>> Jim Hiller<br>><br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<br>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Woodward, Jim<br>> (US SSA)<br>> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 5:48 AM<br>> To: General pattern discussion<br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap entry in FAI<br>><br>> Guys,<br>><br>> I thought the FAI changes explicitly allowed flick rolls? The rule<br>> reads, "... fuselage attitude must show a definite break and separation<br>> from the flight path."<br>><br>> It does not say, "MUST SHOW PITCH BREAK." Please DO NOT ERROUNIOUSLY<br>> APPLY A PASS/FAIL MAJOR DEDUCTION initial assessment to the snap roll.<br>> Watch the whole maneuver then render your score.<br>><br>> A break and separation from the flight path simply means that the nose<br>> and tail of the plane must rotate in a conical fashion about the fight<br>> axis. Yaw, roll, and pitch can all break at the same moment if that is<br>> how the pilot does it.<br>><br>> Hey :) some really handsome smart guy wrote some stuff at this link<br>> below about snap rolls to help clarify how they are done in IMAC.<br>><br>> http://www.mini-iac.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=77<br>><br>> thanks,<br>> Jim<br>><br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<br>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ken<br>> Thompson<br>> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:47 PM<br>> To: Ken Thompson; General pattern discussion<br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap entry in FAI<br>><br>> How'd I do?<br>> ----- Original Message -----<br>> From: "Ken Thompson" <KTHOMPSON56@satx.rr.com><br>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:39 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap entry in FAI<br>><br>><br>> <br>>> That would be the first part...after that better be the tail forming a<br>>> <br>><br>> <br>>> cone, or else...no it wouldn't be a snap;-)<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>>> From: "JShulman" <jshulman@cfl.rr.com><br>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>>> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:35 PM<br>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap entry in FAI<br>>><br>>><br>>> <br>>>> Ken,<br>>>><br>>>> Would you say that if the plane breaks in pitch it is a snap?<br>>>><br>>>> Regards,<br>>>> Jason<br>>>> www.jasonshulman.com<br>>>> www.shulmanaviation.com<br>>>> www.composite-arf.com<br>>>><br>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<br>>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ken<br>>>> Thompson<br>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:36 PM<br>>>> To: General pattern discussion<br>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap entry in FAI<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> LOL!!! I'll be waiting in the wings to read the comments :-)<br>>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>>>> From: "JShulman" <jshulman@cfl.rr.com><br>>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:22 PM<br>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap entry in FAI<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> <br>>>>> Must be even closer to the Nats... after this is Spins...lol.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Are we talking shoulder rolling or straight rolling?<br>>>>><br>>>>> Regards,<br>>>>> Jason<br>>>>> www.jasonshulman.com<br>>>>> www.shulmanaviation.com<br>>>>> www.composite-arf.com<br>>>>><br>>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<br>>>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ken<br>>>>> Thompson<br>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:24 PM<br>>>>> To: johnfuqua@embarqmail.com; General pattern discussion<br>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap entry in FAI<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> How can it be a snap if no pitch or break is shown?<br>>>>><br>>>>> And yes...I know this comment is setting up a serious discussion :-)<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>>>>> From: "John Fuqua" <johnfuqua@embarqmail.com><br>>>>> To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:18 PM<br>>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap entry in FAI<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> <br>>>>>> For those FAI pilots at the Harvest contest this weekend who took<br>>>>>> <br>> the<br>> <br>>>>>> position that the airplane need no longer show pitch or break to<br>>>>>> <br>> enter<br>> <br>>>>>> the<br>>>>>> snap I invite you to para 5B.7.5 of the FAI rule book. Looks to me<br>>>>>> <br>><br>> <br>>>>>> like<br>>>>>> the<br>>>>>> only change is that a zero is no longer appropriate but a mandatory<br>>>>>> downgrade of more than 5 points is.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>>>>>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>>>>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<br>>>>>> <br>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>>>>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>>>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<br>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message.<br>>>>> Checked by AVG.<br>>>>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1503 - Release Date:<br>>>>> 6/14/2008<br>>>>> 6:02 PM<br>>>>><br>>>>> No virus found in this outgoing message.<br>>>>> Checked by AVG.<br>>>>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1503 - Release Date:<br>>>>> 6/14/2008<br>>>>> 6:02 PM<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>>>>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>>>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<br>>>>> <br>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>>>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<br>>>> No virus found in this incoming message.<br>>>> Checked by AVG.<br>>>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1503 - Release Date:<br>>>> <br>> 6/14/2008<br>> <br>>>> 6:02 PM<br>>>><br>>>> No virus found in this outgoing message.<br>>>> Checked by AVG.<br>>>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1503 - Release Date:<br>>>> <br>> 6/14/2008<br>> <br>>>> 6:02 PM<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>>>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<br>>>> <br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<br>>> <br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<br>><br>><br>> <br><br><br /><hr />Search that pays you back! 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