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<div>Increase aileron and reduce rudder - you've already increased elevator. That should help speed up the snap without it yawing too much with a large amount of rudder.<br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:22 AM, J N Hiller <<a href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">jnhiller@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Thanks Jim for the link and it's content. Great info. We finally got some<br>decent flying weather here in the northwest and this afternoon I wanted to<br>
work on the 45 down snap. I have changed the set-up of last year's airplane<br>to a more forward CG and re-trimmed pitch yesterday. I like it better but<br>that $#%^* snap appears slow and sluggish almost resembling a barrel roll,<br>
exiting on about a 35 degree line. I am already using high rate elevator for<br>spin entry and planned to increase the travel and use it for the snap as<br>well. I have experienced heading changes due to excessive rudder in both the<br>
45 down snap and avalanche and fear more elevator travel will cause more<br>exit heading deviation and using more aileron may give the appearance of a<br>fast aileron roll. Today's challenge and the judges will let me know<br>
Saturday morning.<br>Thanks again for the link. I want to get back into some IMAC competition and<br>have a 50-size Yak ready to fly but I need to get some quality pattern<br>practice first.<br>Scale airplanes snap a lot easier!<br>
Jim Hiller<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br></div>
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<div class="Wj3C7c">[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]On Behalf Of Woodward, Jim<br>(US SSA)<br>Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 5:48 AM<br>To: General pattern discussion<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap entry in FAI<br><br>Guys,<br><br>I thought the FAI changes explicitly allowed flick rolls? The rule<br>reads, "... fuselage attitude must show a definite break and separation<br>
from the flight path."<br><br>It does not say, "MUST SHOW PITCH BREAK." Please DO NOT ERROUNIOUSLY<br>APPLY A PASS/FAIL MAJOR DEDUCTION initial assessment to the snap roll.<br>Watch the whole maneuver then render your score.<br>
<br>A break and separation from the flight path simply means that the nose<br>and tail of the plane must rotate in a conical fashion about the fight<br>axis. Yaw, roll, and pitch can all break at the same moment if that is<br>
how the pilot does it.<br><br>Hey :) some really handsome smart guy wrote some stuff at this link<br>below about snap rolls to help clarify how they are done in IMAC.<br><br><a href="http://www.mini-iac.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=77" target="_blank">http://www.mini-iac.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=77</a><br>
<br>thanks,<br>Jim<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of Ken<br>
Thompson<br>Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:47 PM<br>To: Ken Thompson; General pattern discussion<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap entry in FAI<br><br>How'd I do?<br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Ken Thompson" <<a href="mailto:KTHOMPSON56@satx.rr.com">KTHOMPSON56@satx.rr.com</a>><br>
To: "General pattern discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:39 PM<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap entry in FAI<br>
<br><br>> That would be the first part...after that better be the tail forming a<br><br>> cone, or else...no it wouldn't be a snap;-)<br>><br>><br>><br>> ----- Original Message -----<br>> From: "JShulman" <<a href="mailto:jshulman@cfl.rr.com">jshulman@cfl.rr.com</a>><br>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:35 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap entry in FAI<br>
><br>><br>>> Ken,<br>>><br>>> Would you say that if the plane breaks in pitch it is a snap?<br>>><br>>> Regards,<br>>> Jason<br>>> <a href="http://www.jasonshulman.com/" target="_blank">www.jasonshulman.com</a><br>
>> <a href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com/" target="_blank">www.shulmanaviation.com</a><br>>> <a href="http://www.composite-arf.com/" target="_blank">www.composite-arf.com</a><br>>><br>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]On Behalf Of Ken<br>
>> Thompson<br>>> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:36 PM<br>>> To: General pattern discussion<br>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap entry in FAI<br>>><br>>><br>>> LOL!!! I'll be waiting in the wings to read the comments :-)<br>
>> ----- Original Message -----<br>>> From: "JShulman" <<a href="mailto:jshulman@cfl.rr.com">jshulman@cfl.rr.com</a>><br>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:22 PM<br>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap entry in FAI<br>>><br>>><br>>>> Must be even closer to the Nats... after this is Spins...lol.<br>>>><br>
>>> Are we talking shoulder rolling or straight rolling?<br>>>><br>>>> Regards,<br>>>> Jason<br>>>> <a href="http://www.jasonshulman.com/" target="_blank">www.jasonshulman.com</a><br>
>>> <a href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com/" target="_blank">www.shulmanaviation.com</a><br>>>> <a href="http://www.composite-arf.com/" target="_blank">www.composite-arf.com</a><br>>>><br>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>> From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>>>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]On Behalf Of Ken<br>
>>> Thompson<br>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:24 PM<br>>>> To: <a href="mailto:johnfuqua@embarqmail.com">johnfuqua@embarqmail.com</a>; General pattern discussion<br>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap entry in FAI<br>
>>><br>>>><br>>>> How can it be a snap if no pitch or break is shown?<br>>>><br>>>> And yes...I know this comment is setting up a serious discussion :-)<br>>>><br>>>><br>
>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>>>> From: "John Fuqua" <<a href="mailto:johnfuqua@embarqmail.com">johnfuqua@embarqmail.com</a>><br>>>> To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:18 PM<br>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap entry in FAI<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>> For those FAI pilots at the Harvest contest this weekend who took<br>
the<br>>>>> position that the airplane need no longer show pitch or break to<br>enter<br>>>>> the<br>>>>> snap I invite you to para 5B.7.5 of the FAI rule book. Looks to me<br><br>>>>> like<br>
>>>> the<br>>>>> only change is that a zero is no longer appropriate but a mandatory<br>>>>> downgrade of more than 5 points is.<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
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