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<DIV><SPAN class=550070802-02062008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>Get parts...
I think you meant send in the motor and have it done
right?...lol.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT
size=2>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR>www.jasonshulman.com<BR>www.shulmanaviation.com<BR>www.composite-arf.com</FONT>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Dave
Burton<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:47 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'General
pattern discussion'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS-160 round
1...ding, ding<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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even think about that either. Call Richard and get new parts to make it
right.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jay
Marshall<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:24 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'General
pattern discussion'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS-160 round
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Inert Gas – don’t even think about it! The heat will kill it! Take it down to
your local jewelry shop and have an expert silver solder or braze
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Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>THERUPMAN@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:03
PM<BR><B>To:</B> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] YS-160 round 1...ding, ding</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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and all,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">That's
fantastic information. If only I knew what MIG welding
is.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">In a
message dated 6/1/2008 6:47:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, troy@troynewman.net
writes:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Adrian,<BR><BR>Mig
Welding might work...I don't know...I always thought that MIG<BR>welding was
for aluminum and Steel...like thin sheets or<BR>tubing...Stainless steel
sinks and the likes are MIG welded. While I<BR>think MIG welding would work
on a Header if you were good enough to do<BR>it, I don't think MIG is
what you would use to put the Brass insert back<BR>into an Aluminum casting.
The only thing you might be able to do is<BR>create a small mechanical stop
as you melted the MIG "wire" over the top<BR>of the brass fitting. The weld
would not penetrate down into the joint<BR>between the brass Injector Tube
and the Aluminum head. Also MIG is very<BR>critical on having the surfaces
clean and dry. It if difficult to get<BR>down in a hole that is about 1/8"
diameter and clean it.<BR><BR>I know there are some welder types out there.
I'm not a smart guy on<BR>welding. I just know that there are different
processes needed when the<BR>metals are different types. If it was Aluminum
to Aluminum then I think<BR>MIG would work...but I don't think it's the best
for that situation...I<BR>think Mig is used when you are building a Bead on
the external surface.<BR>Not trying to get material into a recessed hole. I
would think a Sweat<BR>joint like a plumber uses on copper pipe would
be a better situation.<BR>The Filler rod or solder or what ever would
penetrate the joint down<BR>into the recess and make a mechanical connection
down in the hole.<BR>Welding a small bead over the top of the brass nipple
with a MIG welder<BR>may hold for a while but I think it would fail in
short order...<BR><BR>Sorry just not enough welding info in my
brain.<BR><BR><BR>Troy<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of<BR>adriancwong@earthlink.net<BR>Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008
4:11 PM<BR>To: General pattern discussion<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
YS-160 round 1...ding, ding<BR><BR>Oh, no, instead of JB Weld, I mig welded
mine, is that OK?<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>>From: JShulman
<jshulman@cfl.rr.com><BR>>Sent: Jun 1, 2008 6:41 PM<BR>>To:
General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] YS-160 round 1...ding, ding<BR>><BR>>Thanks Troy.
Noticed that there is no fuel line keeper, so gotta order <BR>>one of
those. Motor still runs great with lots of power. The richer
low<BR><BR>>end solved the higher issue instantly too, thanks again! I'm
hoping<BR>that it only moves cause of the lack of the keeper, so we'll get
that on<BR>and go from there. Worst case is eventually we'll plug the line
right<BR>into the
head.<BR>><BR>>Regards,<BR>>Jason<BR>>www.jasonshulman.com<BR>>www.shulmanaviation.com<BR>>www.composite-arf.com<BR>><BR>>-----Original
Message-----<BR>>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
<BR>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Troy
<BR>>Newman<BR>>Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 11:32 AM<BR>>To:
General pattern discussion<BR>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS-160
round 1...ding, ding<BR>><BR>><BR>>Jason,<BR>><BR>>Regardless
of the peanut galleries comments here is the skinny.<BR>><BR>>There
are two parts...the black plastic check valve....and then the <BR>>Brass
Injector that goes into the head. The black plastic part can get
<BR>>loose, IF the injector fuel line is allowed to flop around. This is
why<BR><BR>>it has a clip on it. Some folks will remove the clip and the
fuel <BR>>tubing is allowed to flop. Also some folks seem to thing they
can <BR>>remove the black plastic check valve and re-install it. Nope the
<BR>>Plastic goes on one time and to remove it the plastic breaks out and
<BR>>the hole is not larger from the barb damage.<BR>><BR>>The idea
is to not mess with it.<BR>><BR>><BR>>There have been a few
cases of mostly early 160's and mostly a couple <BR>>years ago when the
brass nozzle came out of the head. I know of 3 of <BR>>these and one was
in Japan, one in Australia and one in the USA.<BR>>Extremely rare, but
clean it up and yes I have been told JB weld will <BR>>fix it. My
understanding is that this nozzle is pressed in with some <BR>>kind of
adhesive at the factory. So the JB weld is the same kind of
<BR>>thing....You don't have that problem.<BR>><BR>>If the engine
is allowed to hit the cowl of the model sometime the <BR>>black plastic
check valve will get knocked around....If it gets loose, <BR>>just remove
it and hook the fuel tubing direct to the injector nozzle. <BR>>It will
work fine. The check valve is there for long extended idles, <BR>>and
quick throttle ups.....Think F-07 Double Avalanche. The check
valve<BR><BR>>prevents a burp on throttle up.<BR>><BR>><BR>>If
you engine is set properly you won't get the burp anyway...but if
<BR>>its just a touch lean on the pump...then a tiny air bubble can
migrate<BR><BR>>back into the injector fuel line. This is because the
valve cover is <BR>>the air box...and is under pressure...so the high
pressure keeps the <BR>>fuel from coming out of the injector until the
valve on the engine <BR>>opens. When the valve opens the pump gives a
squirt and the fuel comes<BR>out.....<BR>><BR>>At idle the engine is
not using much fuel at all....and the injector <BR>>will leak a little
fuel into the valve cover area....If the engine is <BR>>too rich
(pump)...this is what causes it to get a rough idle. If the <BR>>pump is
too lean then there is not enough fuel in the line and the <BR>>pressure
in the line is lower so the air box pressure pushes the fuel <BR>>back in
the injector line and right at the very end of the in injector <BR>>line
forms a little air bubble.<BR>><BR>><BR>>The black plastic check
valve prevents this from happening.<BR>><BR>><BR>>So the long story
aside if its flopping around pry it off with a large <BR>>flat blade
screw driver, just slowly inch it off...then hook the fuel <BR>>line
direct. It will work fine.<BR>><BR>>By the way the new 170's have a
different clip on the injector line <BR>>that keeps the fuel tubing from
flopping around. This keeps the black <BR>>plastic from turning and
getting loose on the injector nozzle.<BR>><BR>><BR>>The peanut
gallery can now continue their comments.<BR>><BR>>Thanks<BR>>Troy
Newman<BR>><BR>>-----Original Message-----<BR>>From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of JShulman<BR>>Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:06 AM<BR>>To:
General pattern discussion<BR>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS-160
round 1...ding, ding<BR>><BR>>Oh yea... the check valve. Regs in
front... duh. Where do I plug in
the<BR><BR>>battery???<BR>><BR>>I'll check it and make sure I'm
just seeing things. We're still <BR>>learning about the new YS's. Maybe
it always swiveled and I just now<BR>noticed
it.<BR>><BR>>Regards,<BR>>Jason<BR>>www.jasonshulman.com<BR>>www.shulmanaviation.com<BR>>www.composite-arf.com<BR>><BR>>-----Original
Message-----<BR>>From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]On
Behalf Of Mike <BR>>Hester<BR>>Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 10:35
AM<BR>>To: General pattern discussion<BR>>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] YS-160 round 1...ding, ding<BR>><BR>><BR>>You
mean the check valve? It is press fit. It swivels =)<BR>><BR>>As long
as it's not loose, it's fine. Sometimes the fitting comes
loose<BR><BR>>from the head where it's just pressed in. If that's the
case, JB weld.<BR>>But the black part just presses on to
that.<BR>><BR>>if you mean the part that attaches on to the pushrod
tubes, it's just <BR>>plastic and if it's moving excessively, something
might have broken.<BR>><BR>>-Mike<BR>><BR>>----- Original
Message -----<BR>>From: "JShulman" <jshulman@cfl.rr.com><BR>>To:
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01, 2008 10:12 AM<BR>>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] YS-160 round 1...ding,
ding<BR>><BR>><BR>>> Sooooooooooo.... how do we tighten up the
regulator (black piece at <BR>>> valve<BR>>> cover) on the top
of the motor? It seems that this one has come loose<BR><BR>>> as it
will swivel back and forth.<BR>>><BR>>> BTW Chris... I am still
flying electric <G><BR>>><BR>>> Regards,<BR>>>
Jason<BR>>> www.jasonshulman.com<BR>>>
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