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you are doing snaps or other stick banging maneuvers. The advantage of some 2.4
systems is the time it takes from initial stick movement to the time the servo
starts to move is very small. Also the amount you have to move the stick to
elicit a movement in the servo is also minute. This is dependant upon of the technology
of the mfg. The <b><u><span style='font-weight:bold'>amount</span></u></b> it
moves is dependant upon stick position and expo among other things. This is the
“feel”. </span></font></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
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discussion</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Which servo?</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I think I'm still having some
rationalizatiion issues. If I program my servos to move slower and train my
fingers to speed up their movement at the extremes of stick travel it should
produce an output somewhat similar to what expo gives me (not quite exactly).
Not that I could, in all probability, learn to do that, but there's lots that I
hear other guys say that they can feel that always seems to escape me.
Like, I just converted to 2.4 and I hear guys talking how it's so much faster
feeling and more connected. Well I can't feel any difference. It certainly
works wonderfully, but so did 72 for me. After all, isn't it only converting
the frequency of the output signal ? Wavelength propagation speed should be the
same, shouldn't it?</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I still kinda feel that a two-tenth
second, high power servo, with a one micro sec deadband is not going to feel
any different to me than a one-tenth second with 10% more expo. I just ain't
that smart !!!!!</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>When I fly something that follows
the input command instantly, all I do is over-correct and re-over-correct and
twitch all over the sky and if it's too twitchy I ultimately bury it !
The only hope for me in that situation is to go to idle and let go of
EVERYTHING !!!!</span></font></p>
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[NSRCA-discussion] Which servo?</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Instead of programming expo try programming in lower
servo speed. I think it will answer your question. The
best servo would be the one that followed the input command instantly. </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Jun 1, 2008, at 1:21 PM, george w. kennie wrote:<br>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>A light
just went off for me .............( I think). It occurred to me
that we spend $130 for a servo with a .06 second transit time and then we
program in 60 % expo. Somehow this seems counter productive. I'm
wondering if senility is rearing it's ugly head again.</span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>For
some unexplainable reason this doesn't induce me to go out and buy slow servos.
I know I'm going stark-raving mad !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</span></font></p>
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purchased my first full sized used pattern plane. After starting my radio
installation, I found that the servos are in various states of wearing
out. I want to replace all servos on control surfaces. From
studying the JR list of servos, it looks like DS8411SA is a good choice for
rudder and DS9411SA on elevator and ailerons. Do you agree?</span></font></p>
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