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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lisa
& Larry<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 19, 2008 4:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cutting CF and FG Panels???<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'>I’m not an expert in bandsaws…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'>I did get the ¼ x .020 (.042 kerf) continuous. My thought is that
would allow me to cut an inside radius a little easier than a wider blade.
Certainly not a small radii, but a little flexibility.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>For our application it was recommended to use continuous vs
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Not recommended for wood due to heat generation…Not sure how balsa
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>vicenterc@comcast.net<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 19, 2008 4:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cutting CF and FG Panels???</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Which one will be good for our application? I guess
that 1/4", medium, continuous.<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: "Lisa & Larry" <lld613@psci.net> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Here you go<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><a href="http://www.icstc.com/bsmgrit.html"
title="http://www.icstc.com/bsmgrit.html">http://www.icstc.com/bsmgrit.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'>Larry Diamond<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>michael s harrison<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 19, 2008 3:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cutting CF and FG Panels???</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Could you give details where to get this blade<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gray E
Fowler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 19, 2008 8:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cutting CF and FG Panels???<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Larry</span> <br>
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>It never gets
dull, but here at work we break them on occasion...probably set up wrong. You
are set for your entire pattern life...as a matter of fact people could send
stuff to you to cut and you could charge them 50 cents an inch or so......after
10 years you will break even, just like everyone else who offers pattern
services.<br>
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Gray Fowler<br>
Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<br>
Radomes and Specialty Apertures<br>
Technical Staff Composites Engineering<br>
Raytheon</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent by:
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<p><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>05/17/2008
12:49 AM</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#6260A1'>Gray,</span>
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#6260A1'>I
did get a Tungsten Carbide band saw blade. Mc Master Carr doesnt seem to
carry it. I bought mine at Industrial Carbide Saw out of Louisville, KY. Custom
length and had it in three days. Used it tonight and all I can say is smooth
easy cuttingVery impressive. Thanks for the tip.</span> <br>
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< BR>Was a bit pricy, but the weld is guaranteed for life and I dont
see me wearing this blade out. <br>
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Larry Diamond <br>
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color:#6260A1'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:#6260A1'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gray E Fowler<b><br>
Sent:</b> Thursday, May 08, 2008 12:34 PM<b><br>
To:</b> General pattern discussion<b><br>
Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cutting CF and FG Panels???</span><span
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Keith</span><span style='color:#6260A1'> <br>
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Makes sense especially to increase stifn ess, b ut I ponder the weight savings
after adding the resin and fiber especially is you are laminating with the
5.7oz 3K plain weave (most standard stuff). It is real easy to get over strong,
and landing gear usually needs a load distribution into the fuse more than
super strong gear plates. On my firewall, built out of lite ply by Lance,
I used 2oz glass to "Strengthen" the ply..it is a waffle design so
very stiff. The idea being that the fiberglass will help keep the lite ply from
fractures-or waffle delams-disbond. Cannot get 2oz CF and the 1K CF (4.2 oz)
that we make or canopies and chin cowls out of would be overkill.</span><span
style='color:#6260A1'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
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Have you compared weights? that would be interesting. I never have but alway
worried about it.</span><span style='color:#6260A1'> <br>
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color:#6260A1'><br>
How's that Guitar hero frustration game coming along for you? Any cybe r grou
pies yet or have you not made it to that level...like your son has...or did you
not realize your son was "involved" so to speak.</span><span
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Gray Fowler<br>
Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<br>
Radomes and Specialty Apertures<br>
Technical Staff Composites Engineering<br>
Raytheon</span><span style='color:#6260A1'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Sent by: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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I often laminate lite ply in situations where I don't think the lite ply will be
strong or stiff enough and I don't want the weight penalty of aircraft ply. I
also have laminated regular aircraft ply to give extra strength to things like
landing gear plates. This allows me to use a thinner aircraft ply (in my mind
anyways). </span><span style='color:#6260A1'><br>
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Keith Black</span><span style='color:#6260A1'> <br>
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To:</b> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
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While at work I find these blades on the machine. Somehow they magically show
up. Where you would get them??? perhaps McMaster Carr</span><span
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And what is you application that requires carbon fiber laminated on plywood?<br>
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Gray Fowler<br>
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Technical Staff Composites Engineering<br>
Raytheon</span><span style='color:#6260A1'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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This doesn't sound like something one would find at the local hardware store.
Where can these blades be found?</span><span style='color:#6260A1'> <br>
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BTW, what if you have aircraft ply laminated with carbon fiber? I would think
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Larry</span><span style='color:#6260A1'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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The proper bandsaw blade for composites does not have any teeth on it at all.
The blade consists of a coating of tungsten carbide bits like rough
sandpaper grit adhered to the leading edge of the band. The blade cuts by
abrasion and will break before it wears out. Any blade with teeth is bad for
composites as it will dull and the teeth can grab and delaminate the sustrate
or your bond to the honeycomb.<br>
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Gray Fowler<br>
Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<br>
Radomes and Specialty Apertures<br>
Technical Staff Composites Engineering<br>
Raytheon</span><span style='color:#6260A1'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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What is the best blade to use on a band saw? It has 2 speeds, what is the best
speed (1,450 / 3,000 rpm)?<br>
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I need to cut down two 12 x 24 panels and would like a clean edge ( 1/8
CF/Nomex/CF panel, and a FG/Nomex/FG panel) .<br>
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Nope, don't use the band saw much.<br>
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