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<DIV>It is not clear from the picture if 51/2" diamond plate wire fits the 5" scroll saw. The saw I have requires the eyes to hold the blade. </DIV>
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<DIV>I've done something cheaper to cut CF I use a scroll table saw <A href="http://search.harborfreight.com/cpisearch/web/search.do?keyword=scroll">http://search.harborfreight.com/cpisearch/web/search.do?keyword=scroll</A> down the page it shows a diamond wire blade. I have used the round tile cutting blades made for tile hand saws, like a coping saw the nice thing is all are round so any shape can be made you do have to cut the eyes off and open up the place on the saw for them to work but I've been using this for years. Anyone want more detail just ask.</DIV>
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<DIV><B><I>michael s harrison <drmikedds@sbcglobal.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I did get the ¼ x .020 (.042 kerf) continuous. My thought is that would allow me to cut an inside radius a little easier than a wider blade. Certainly not a small radii, but a little flexibility.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">For our application it was recommended to use continuous vs gulleted…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Not recommended for wood due to heat generation…Not sure how balsa fits in there…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><BR><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Larry</SPAN> <BR><BR><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">It never gets dull, but here at work we break them on occasion...probably set up wrong. You are set for your entire pattern life...as a matter of fact people could send stuff to you to cut and you could charge them 50 cents an inch or so......after 10 years you will break even, just like everyone else who offers pattern services.<BR></SPAN><BR><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Radomes and Specialty Apertures<BR>Technical Staff Composites Engineering<BR>Raytheon</SPAN> <o:p></o:p></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><BR><BR><BR><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #6260a1; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Gray,</SPAN> <BR><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #6260a1; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN> <BR><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #6260a1; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I did get a Tungsten Carbide band saw blade. Mc Master Carr doesnt seem to carry it. I bought mine at Industrial Carbide Saw out of Louisville, KY. Custom length and had it in three days. Used it tonight and all I can say is smooth easy cuttingVery impressive. Thanks for the tip.</SPAN> <BR><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #6260a1; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> < BR>Was a bit pricy, but the weld is guaranteed for life and I dont see me wearing this blade out. <BR> <BR>Larry Diamond <BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #6260a1; FONT-FAMILY: '
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ard stuff). It is real easy to get over strong, and landing gear usually needs a load distribution into the fuse more than super strong gear plates. On my firewall, built out of lite ply by Lance, I used 2oz glass to "Strengthen" the ply..it is a waffle design so very stiff. The idea being that the fiberglass will help keep the lite ply from fractures-or waffle delams-disbond. Cannot get 2oz CF and the 1K CF (4.2 oz) that we make or canopies and chin cowls out of would be overkill.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #6260a1"> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #6260a1; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><BR>Have you compared weights? that would be interesting. I never have but alway worried about it.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #6260a1"> <BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #6260a1; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><BR>How's that Guitar hero frustration game coming along for you? Any cybe r grou pies yet or have you not made it to that level...like your
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<DIV><SPAN style="COLOR: #6260a1"><BR><BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #6260a1; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><BR>I often laminate lite ply in situations where I don't think the lite ply will be strong or stiff enough and I don't want the weight penalty of aircraft ply. I also have laminated regular aircraft ply to give extra strength to things like landing gear plates. This allows me to use a thinner aircraft ply (in my mind anyways). </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #6260a1"><BR> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #6260a1; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><BR>Keith Black</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #6260a1"> <BR>----- Original Message ----- <B><BR>From:</B> <A href="mailto:gfowler@raytheon.com">Gray E Fowler</A> <B><BR>To:</B> <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A> <B><BR>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 07, 2008 4:2 1 PM < B><B><BR>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cutting CF and FG Panels??? <BR></S
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PAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #6260a1; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><BR><BR>While at work I find these blades on the machine. Somehow they magically show up. Where you would get them??? perhaps McMaster Carr</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #6260a1"> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #6260a1; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><BR><BR>And what is you application that requires carbon fiber laminated on plywood?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Radomes and Specialty Apertures<BR>Technical Staff Composites Engineering<BR>Raytheon</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #6260a1"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="COLOR: #6260a1"><BR><BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #6260a1; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><BR><BR>This doesn't sound like something one would find at the local hardware store. Where can these blades be found?</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #6260a1"> <BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #6260a1; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><BR>BTW, what if you have aircraft ply laminated with carbon fiber? I would think in this case one would need a blade with teeth.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #6260a1"> <BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #6260a1; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><BR>Keith Black</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #6260a1"> <BR>----- Original Message ----- <B><BR>From:</B> <A href="mailto:gfowler@raytheon.com">Gray E Fowler</A> <B><BR>To:</B> <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A> <B><BR>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 07, 200 8 8:31 AM <B><BR>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cutt
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and FG Panels??? </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #6260a1; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><BR><BR><BR>Larry</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #6260a1"> </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #6260a1; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><BR><BR>The proper bandsaw blade for composites does not have any teeth on it at all. The blade consists of a coating of tungsten carbide bits like rough sandpaper grit adhered to the leading edge of the band. The blade cuts by abrasion and will break before it wears out. Any blade with teeth is bad for composites as it will dull and the teeth can grab and delaminate the sustrate or your bond to the honeycomb.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Radomes and Specialty Apertures<BR>Technical Staff Composites Engineering<BR>Raytheon</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #6260a1"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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