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<DIV>Which one will be good for our application? I guess that 1/4", medium, continuous.</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Calibri color=#1f497d size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Could you give details where to get this blade<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Larry</SPAN></FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It never gets dull, but here at work we break them on occasion...probably set up wrong. You are set for your entire pattern life...as a matter of fact people could send stuff to you to cut and you could charge them 50 cents an inch or so......after 10 years you will break even, just like everyone else who offers pattern services.<BR></SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Radomes and Specialty Apertures<BR>Technical Staff Composites Engineering<BR>Raytheon</SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#6260a1 size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #6260a1; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Gray,</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=#6260a1 size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #6260a1; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=#6260a1 size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #6260a1; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I did get a Tungsten Carbide band saw blade. Mc Master Carr doesn’t seem to carry it. I bought mine at Industrial Carbide Saw out of <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Louisville</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">KY.</st1:State></st1:place> Custom length and had it in three days. Used it tonight and all I can say is smooth easy cutting…Very impressive. Thanks for the tip.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=#6260a1 size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #6260a1; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></F
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ut I ponder the weight savings after adding the resin and fiber especially is you are laminating with the 5.7oz 3K plain weave (most standard stuff). It is real easy to get over strong, and landing gear usually needs a load distribution into the fuse more than super strong gear plates. On my firewall, built out of lite ply by Lance, I used 2oz glass to "Strengthen" the ply..it is a waffle design so very stiff. The idea being that the fiberglass will help keep the lite ply from fractures-or waffle delams-disbond. Cannot get 2oz CF and the 1K CF (4.2 oz) that we make or canopies and chin cowls out of would be overkill.</SPAN></FONT> <FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>Have you compared weights? that would be interesting. I never have but alway worried about it.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>How's that Guitar hero frustration game coming along for you? Any cybe
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pies yet or have you not made it to that level...like your son has...or did you not realize your son was "involved" so to speak.</SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Radomes and Specialty Apertures<BR>Technical Staff Composites Engineering<BR>Raytheon</SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>I often laminate lite ply in situations where I don't think the lite ply will be strong or stiff enough and I don't want the weight penalty of aircraft ply. I also have laminated regular aircraft ply to give extra strength to things like landing gear plates. This allows me to use a thinner aircraft ply (in my mind anyways). </SPAN></FONT><BR> <FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>Keith Black</SPAN></FONT> <BR>----- Original Message ----- <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><BR>From:</SPAN></B> <A href="mailto:gfowler@raytheon.com">Gray E Fowler</A> <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><BR>To:</SPAN></B> <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A> <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><BR>Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, May 07, 2008 4:2
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B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><BR>Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cutting CF and FG Panels??? <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR><BR>While at work I find these blades on the machine. Somehow they magically show up. Where you would get them??? perhaps McMaster Carr</SPAN></FONT> <FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR><BR>And what is you application that requires carbon fiber laminated on plywood?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Radomes and Specialty Apertures<BR>Technical Staff Composites Engineering<BR>Raytheon</SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR><BR>This doesn't sound like something one would find at the local hardware store. Where can these blades be found?</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>BTW, what if you have aircraft ply laminated with carbon fiber? I would think in this case one would need a blade with teeth.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>Keith Black</SPAN></FONT> <BR>----- Original Message ----- <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><BR>From:</SPAN></B> <A href="mailto:gfowler@raytheon.com">Gray E Fowler</A> <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><BR>To:</SPAN></B> <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A> <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><BR>Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, May 07, 200
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AM <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><BR>Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cutting CF and FG Panels??? <FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR><BR><BR>Larry</SPAN></FONT> <FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR><BR>The proper bandsaw blade for composites does not have any teeth on it at all. The blade consists of a coating of tungsten carbide bits like rough sandpaper grit adhered to the leading edge of the band. The blade cuts by abrasion and will break before it wears out. Any blade with teeth is bad for composites as it will dull and the teeth can grab and delaminate the sustrate or your bond to the honeycomb.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Radomes and Specialty Apertures<BR>Technical Staff Composites Engineering<BR>Raytheon</SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P>
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