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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gray E
Fowler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 19, 2008 8:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Larry</span> <br>
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>It never gets
dull, but here at work we break them on occasion...probably set up wrong. You
are set for your entire pattern life...as a matter of fact people could send
stuff to you to cut and you could charge them 50 cents an inch or so......after
10 years you will break even, just like everyone else who offers pattern
services.<br>
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Gray Fowler<br>
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#6260A1'>Gray,</span>
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#6260A1'> </span>
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#6260A1'>I
did get a Tungsten Carbide band saw blade. Mc Master Carr doesn’t seem to carry
it. I bought mine at Industrial Carbide Saw out of Louisville, KY. Custom
length and had it in three days. Used it tonight and all I can say is smooth
easy cutting…Very impressive. Thanks for the tip.</span> <br>
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#6260A1'>Was
a bit pricy, but the weld is guaranteed for life and I don’t see me wearing
this blade out.</span> <br>
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#6260A1'>Larry
Diamond</span> <br>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gray E
Fowler<b><br>
Sent:</b> Thursday, May 08, 2008 12:34 PM<b><br>
To:</b> General pattern discussion<b><br>
Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cutting CF and FG Panels???</span> <br>
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br>
Keith</span> <br>
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Makes sense especially to increase stifness, but I ponder the weight savings
after adding the resin and fiber especially is you are laminating with the
5.7oz 3K plain weave (most standard stuff). It is real easy to get over strong,
and landing gear usually needs a load distribution into the fuse more than
super strong gear plates. On my firewall, built out of lite ply by Lance,
I used 2oz glass to "Strengthen" the ply..it is a waffle design so
very stiff. The idea being that the fiberglass will help keep the lite ply from
fractures-or waffle delams-disbond. Cannot get 2oz CF and the 1K CF (4.2 oz)
that we make or canopies and chin cowls out of would be overkill.</span> <span
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Have you compared weights? that would be interesting. I never have but alway
worried about it.</span> <br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br>
How's that Guitar hero frustration game coming along for you? Any cyber
groupies yet or have you not made it to that level...like your son has...or did
you not realize your son was "involved" so to speak.</span><br>
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Gray Fowler<br>
Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<br>
Radomes and Specialty Apertures<br>
Technical Staff Composites Engineering<br>
Raytheon</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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Sent by: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>05/08/2008
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I often laminate lite ply in situations where I don't think the lite ply will
be strong or stiff enough and I don't want the weight penalty of aircraft ply.
I also have laminated regular aircraft ply to give extra strength to things
like landing gear plates. This allows me to use a thinner aircraft ply (in my
mind anyways). </span><br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br>
Keith Black</span> <br>
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From:</b> <a href="mailto:gfowler@raytheon.com">Gray E Fowler</a> <b><br>
To:</b> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
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Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 07, 2008 4:21 PM <b><br>
Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cutting CF and FG Panels??? <br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br>
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While at work I find these blades on the machine. Somehow they magically show
up. Where you would get them??? perhaps McMaster Carr</span> <span
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And what is you application that requires carbon fiber laminated on plywood?<br>
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Gray Fowler<br>
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Radomes and Specialty Apertures<br>
Technical Staff Composites Engineering<br>
Raytheon</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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This doesn't sound like something one would find at the local hardware store.
Where can these blades be found?</span> <br>
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BTW, what if you have aircraft ply laminated with carbon fiber? I would think
in this case one would need a blade with teeth.</span> <br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br>
Keith Black</span> <br>
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To:</b> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
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Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 07, 2008 8:31 AM <b><br>
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Larry</span> <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br>
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The proper bandsaw blade for composites does not have any teeth on it at all. The
blade consists of a coating of tungsten carbide bits like rough sandpaper grit
adhered to the leading edge of the band. The blade cuts by abrasion and will
break before it wears out. Any blade with teeth is bad for composites as it
will dull and the teeth can grab and delaminate the sustrate or your bond to
the honeycomb.<br>
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Gray Fowler<br>
Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<br>
Radomes and Specialty Apertures<br>
Technical Staff Composites Engineering<br>
Raytheon</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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Cutting CF and FG Panels???</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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What is the best blade to use on a band saw? It has 2 speeds, what is the best
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I need to cut down two 12 x 24 panels and would like a clean edge ( 1/8” CF/Nomex/CF
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Nope, don't use the band saw much….<br>
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