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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Jeremy,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Some of us just have off days and other like to debate ( I
personally fall into both categories ) but I think you will find that pattern
people are among the most helpful. That has been my experience at any rate with
VERY FEW exceptions.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>If you need any help with your vacuum setup don't hesitate
to contact me directly. I have built a few of them in the past and have not used
weights on anything in the last 5 years. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Pete</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=lagrue@hotmail.com href="mailto:lagrue@hotmail.com">JEREMY CHINN</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 12, 2008 11:12 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Let us
bicker about who can use the list</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Jim et al, as a guy who is terribly interested in flying
pattern this season and becoming a member of the NSRCA, your idea and
attitude initially turns me off to the organization.
<BR> <BR>However, I'll temper that idea or feeling with the fact that
every good organization will have people who feel the way or act as you have.
IE, my hope and belief is that not everyone thinks as you do.
<BR> <BR>I've managed to be part of this hobby for over 25 years and
always subscribed to the idea that sharing knowledge gets me more in return
than I could ever offer and often helps me make great new friends and as an
extension of that thought, an organization can benefit in the same way - new
members, new enthusiasm are gotten by free sharing of information and
ideas.<BR> <BR>FWIW, one other thought to consider- there are always
many more listening/lurking than speaking/typing. So how many
people might you have run off now? Many won't tell you about it, they'll
just go. <BR> <BR>Time to get back to my shop and finish tuning up my new
vacuum bagging system so I can bag my new pattern plane wings next
week. <BR> <BR>Sincerely, a non-NSRCA member who subscribes to and learns
from this list. <BR> <BR>Jeremy Chinn<BR><BR><BR> <BR>
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From: pcosky@comcast.net<BR>To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Date:
Mon, 12 May 2008 22:37:24 -0400<BR>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Let us bicker
about who can use the list<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Then make the list members only if you would
rather close the gates instead of build bridges. If one wanted to make sure
only members were able to glean any knowledge from the NSRCA I guess we
shouldn't hand out KFs to people who are not members nor even have a booth
at a show like Toledo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm with Dowayne and Ken.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>FYI - I subscribed to the list before I became
a member and it was the general helpfulness of the general populace on this
list that made me decide to join. After all you do not have to be an NSRCA
member to fly in a pattern meet. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Can we now get back to discussing the hobby we
all enjoy instead of making this an US and THEM debate?</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=patternrules@yahoo.com
href="mailto:patternrules@yahoo.com">Steven Maxwell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 12, 2008 9:50
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Starters for YS in Canada</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT><BR></DIV> I have to disagree I have seen this list
been abrused many times by people that have never been NASRCA members. I
tyhink it's time someone does watch the list. My hats off to
Jim.<BR><BR><B><I>DoWayne Gould <<A
href="mailto:iflyrc24@gmail.com">iflyrc24@gmail.com</A>></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">I have to agree Ken. I
don’t understand the strong arm tactics. Is this the way to get new
members to join the NSRCA? I don’t think a public brow beating is good
for anyone. If it keeps up you can count me out next year at renewal
time. I don’t agree with it, I don’t care to have it done to me and
I don’t like seeing anyone else getting it!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Dowayne</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ken
Thompson<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday,
May 12, 2008 7:02 PM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> jaqfly@prodigy.net; General
pattern discussion<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Starters for YS in Canada</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">That's kinda' harsh isn't it
Jim?</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<A title=jaqfly@prodigy.net href="mailto:jaqfly@prodigy.net">Jim
Quinn</A> </SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<A title=cchariandy@yahoo.ca
href="mailto:cchariandy@yahoo.ca">cchariandy@yahoo.ca</A> ; <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=EC_MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
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Monday, May 12, 2008 11:25 AM</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Starters for YS in
Canada</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Colin, Why do you keep coming to us (NSRCA)
for help but refuse to join our membership? It makes no sense to
me.</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Jim Quinn<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">colin chariandy <<A
href="mailto:cchariandy@yahoo.ca">cchariandy@yahoo.ca</A>></SPAN></I></B>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Will the KAVAN in 12V
gell cell work?</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Colin.<BR><BR>--- On
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Mon, 5/12/08, Mark Atwood
<I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"><<A
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">From: Mark Atwood <<A
href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Starters for YS in Canada<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:cchariandy@yahoo.ca">cchariandy@yahoo.ca</A>,
"General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Received:
Monday, May 12, 2008, 9:50 AM</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=EC_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT
face=Calibri size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">I’ve
been using the Kavan for years. No problems.
It’s currently starting my 1.60 and
1.70DZ’s Can’t comment on
the others, as to whether they are better or not, but the
Kavan will work just fine.<BR><BR>-Mark<BR><BR><BR>On
5/12/08 9:39 AM, "colin chariandy"
<cchariandy@yahoo.ca> wrote:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Calibri size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Hi all I
tried to start my DZ with a regular, non-geared 12V Sullivan
starter yesterday...no joy. I know guys are running
geared staters from B&P and PAM, but I can't find
starters like those in Canada. My options at the LHS
are KAVAN and Sullivan Dynatron. The KAVAN is really
compact...but can it turn over a 170? And the Dynatron....I
guess I can use it in the weight room after flying.
Can you advise which is more commonly used and
functions better? Of course if there are other options
the Canadians can chime in. Thanks much Colin.
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