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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Couple questions I have –<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- Is it possible Jim was simply asking a question, and is legitimately puzzled as to why someone why someone who is active on and benefiting from the list would not support the organization that sponsors the list?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’d like to think that most non-NSRCA members that become involved on this list for any length of time would eventually join NSRCA (as some have done), but it is an open list (and I like it that way), so there is no requirement to do so.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I read Jim’s query as short, direct, and free of sugar coating. I didn’t find it offensive, but I can see how it could be interpreted that way. Knowing Jim, I sincerely think he is puzzled as to why someone would not support a group that is providing benefit. For those that don’t know Jim, and care to know what kind of person he is, I’ve never seen him without a smile on his face, I’ve never seen him fail to help people, and he is definitely passionate about pattern.  For those that think Jim’s post was offensive, perhaps maybe Jim deserves a little benefit of doubt – just my opinion.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=cchariandy@yahoo.ca href="mailto:cchariandy@yahoo.ca">cchariandy@yahoo.ca</A> ; <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Monday, May 12, 2008 11:25 AM</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Starters for YS in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Canada</st1:place></st1:country-region></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Colin, Why do you keep coming to us (NSRCA) for help but refuse to join our membership? It makes no sense to me.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Jim Quinn<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">colin chariandy <<A href="mailto:cchariandy@yahoo.ca">cchariandy@yahoo.ca</A>></SPAN></I></B> wrote:</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Colin.<BR><BR>--- On <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Mon, 5/12/08, Mark Atwood <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"><<A href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</A>></SPAN></I></SPAN></B> wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">From: Mark Atwood <<A href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Starters for YS in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Canada</st1:place></st1:country-region><BR>To: <A href="mailto:cchariandy@yahoo.ca">cchariandy@yahoo.ca</A>, "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Received: Monday, May 12, 2008, 9:50 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Calibri size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">I’ve been using the Kavan for years. No problems. It’s currently starting my 1.60 and 1.70DZ’s Can’t comment on the others, as to whether they are better or not, but the Kavan will work just fine.<BR><BR>-Mark<BR><BR><BR>On 5/12/08 9:39 AM, "colin chariandy" <cchariandy@yahoo.ca> wrote:</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Calibri size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Hi all I tried to start my DZ with a regular, non-geared 12V Sullivan starter yesterday...no joy. I know guys are running geared staters from B&P and PAM, but I can't find starters like those in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Canada</st1:place></st1:country-region>. My options at the LHS are KAVAN and Sullivan Dynatron. The KAVAN is really compact...but can it turn over a 170? And the Dynatron....I guess I can use it in the weight room after flying. Can you advise which is more commonly used and functions better? Of course if there are other options the Canadians can chime in. Thanks much Colin. <BR> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV>
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