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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Only thing I know ~~ if I have enough
I will go horizontal for awhile.. Especially the higher shelved
bourbons.. <tic> </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> Del</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:31 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Let us
bicker about who can use the list</DIV>
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<DIV>I prefer whiskey.... The final effect on trimming is equal.</DIV>
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<DIV>--<BR>Vicente "Vince" Bortone</DIV>
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<DIV>Email intention is easily misread and always has to be taken with a
grain of salt....and maybe tequila and lime. </DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Dave <<A
href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</A>></I></B>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I personally know
Jim, and have for a number of years. Â I point this out, because it
may mean I have a bias.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Couple questions
I have –<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- Is it possible
Jim was simply asking a question, and is legitimately puzzled as to why
someone why someone who is active on and benefiting from the list would
not support the organization that sponsors the
list?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- Does Jim have a
history of positive contributions to the organization and this
list?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’d like to
think that most non-NSRCA members that become involved on this list for
any length of time would eventually join NSRCA (as some have done), but it
is an open list (and I like it that way), so there is no requirement to do
so.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I read Jim’s
query as short, direct, and free of sugar coating. I didn’t find
it offensive, but I can see how it could be interpreted that way.Â
Knowing Jim, I sincerely think he is puzzled as to why someone would not
support a group that is providing benefit. For those that don’t
know Jim, and care to know what kind of person he is, I’ve never seen
him without a smile on his face, I’ve never seen him fail to help
people, and he is definitely passionate about pattern. Â For those
that think Jim’s post was offensive, perhaps maybe Jim deserves a little
benefit of doubt – just my opinion.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Regards,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dave
Lockhart<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Pete Cosky<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, May 12, 2008 11:24
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Let us bicker about who can use the
list</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jeremy,</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Some of us just have off days
and other like to debate ( I personally fall into both categories ) but I
think you will find that pattern people are among the most helpful. That
has been my experience at any rate with VERY FEW
exceptions.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If you need any help with your
vacuum setup don't hesitate to contact me directly. I have built a few of
them in the past and have not used weights on anything in the last 5
years. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Pete</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=lagrue@hotmail.com href="mailto:lagrue@hotmail.com">JEREMY
CHINN</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Monday, May 12, 2008 11:12 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Let us bicker about who can use the
list<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Jim et al, as a guy who is
terribly interested in flying pattern this season and becoming a member
of the NSRCA, your idea and attitude initially turns me off to the
organization. <BR> <BR>However, I'll temper that idea or feeling
with the fact that every good organization will have people who feel the
way or act as you have. IE, my hope and belief is that not everyone
thinks as you do. <BR> <BR>I've managed to be part of this hobby
for over 25 years and always subscribed to the idea that sharing
knowledge gets me more in return than I could ever offer and often helps
me make great new friends and as an extension of that thought, an
organization can benefit in the same way - new members, new enthusiasm
are gotten by free sharing of information and
ideas.<BR> <BR>FWIW, one other thought to consider- there are
always many more listening/lurking than spe aking/ typing. So how many
people might you have run off now? Many won't tell you about it,
they'll just go. <BR> <BR>Time to get back to my shop and finish
tuning up my new vacuum bagging system so I can bag my new
pattern plane wings next week. <BR> <BR>Sincerely, a non-NSRCA
member who subscribes to and learns from this list. <BR> <BR>Jeremy
Chinn<BR><BR><BR> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:
pcosky@comcast.net<BR>To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Date: Mon,
12 May 2008 22:37:24 -0400<BR>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Let us bicker
about who can use the list<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Then make the list members
only if you would rather close the gates instead of build bridges. If
one wanted to make sure only members were able to glean any knowledge
from the NSRCA I guess we shouldn't hand out KFs to people who are
not members nor even have a booth at a show like <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Toledo</st1:place></st1:City>.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'm with Dowayne and
Ken.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">FYI - I subscribed to the
list before I became a member and it was the general helpfulness of the
general populace on this list that made me decide to join. After all you
do not have to be an NSRCA member to fly in a pattern meet.
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Can we now get back to
discussing the hobby we all enjoy instead of making this an US and THEM
debate?</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<A title=patternrules@yahoo.com
href="mailto:patternrules@yahoo.com">Steven Maxwell</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Monday, May 12, 2008 9:50 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Starters for YS in <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Canada</st1:place></st1:country-region><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> I have to disagree
I have seen this list been abrused many times by people that have
never been NASRCA members. I tyhink it's time someone does watch the
list. My hats off to Jim.<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">DoWayne Gould <<A
href="mailto:iflyrc24@gmail.com">iflyrc24@gmail.com</A>></SPAN></I></B>
wrote: <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">I have to agree Ken. I
don’t understand the strong arm tactics. Is this the way to get
new members to join the NSRCA? I don’t think a public brow
beating is good for anyone. If it keeps up you can count me out next
year at renewal time. I don’t agree with it, I don’t
care to have it done to me and I don’t like seeing anyone else
getting it!</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Dowayne</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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w:st="on">jaqfly@prodigy.net</st1:PersonName>; General pattern
discussion<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Starters for YS in <st1:country-region
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<A title=cchariandy@yahoo.ca
href="mailto:cchariandy@yahoo.ca">cchariandy@yahoo.ca</A> ; <A
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Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Starters for YS in <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Canada</st1:place></st1:country-region></SPAN></FONT><FONT
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<<A
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Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Starters for YS in
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Canada</st1:place></st1:country-region><BR>To:
<A
href="mailto:cchariandy@yahoo.ca">cchariandy@yahoo.ca</A>,
"General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Received:
Monday, May 12, 2008, 9:50
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">I’ve
been using the Kavan for years. No problems.
It’s currently starting my 1.60 and
1.70DZ’s
Can’t comment on the
others, as to whether they are better or not, but the
Kavan will work just fine.<BR><BR>-Mark<BR><BR><BR>On
5/12/08 9:39 AM, "colin chariandy"
<cchariandy@yahoo.ca>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Hi all
I tried to start my DZ with a regular, non-geared
12V Sullivan starter yesterday...no joy. I know guys
are running geared staters from B&P and PAM, but I
can't find starters like those in <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Canada</st1:place></st1:country-region>.
My options at the LHS are KAVAN and Sullivan
Dynatron. The KAVAN is really compact...but can it
turn over a 170? And the Dynatron....I guess I can use it
in the weight room after flying. Can you advise
which is more commonly used and functions better? Of
course if there are other options the Canadians can chime
in. Thanks much Colin.
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