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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=656590716-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>He's pretty cool....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=656590716-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=656590716-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>But we can't talk about him too much on here...He gets the list
emails too! Or lets put it this way. Margo gets the emails and then saves them
for him to read. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=656590716-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=656590716-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>The best part of all...was the wedding.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=656590716-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Thursday in Vegas, We are getting married at 7pm. Jerry and I are
at the flying field practicing for the weekend contest. Margo and Jenny are
getting the hair done, dressed, and all that girly stuff. At about 4pm Jerry and
I look at each other and say well I think we got time for another flight. Get
done throw the models in the car. Then we drive all over creation looking for a
car wash, because the entrance to the field was just play a mud hole. Find the
car wash...I walk into the Hotel room at 6pm, the limo is picking us up at
6:15pm...Shower and dressed, hooking up the bow tie at about 6:14pm and the
phone rings...the Limo is here to take you to the Church.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=656590716-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Nothing like perfect timing.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=656590716-06052008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>I think Jerry
got the same rear end chewin' that I got..but we made it on
time.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=656590716-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=656590716-06052008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>Like I said
its great to have a pattern flyer in the family. It always good to have somebody
to bounce ideas off regarding pattern and models.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=656590716-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=656590716-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Troy</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>chris
moon<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:08 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR
10X Programming<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Troy:<BR>Thank you very much for taking the time to walk me through
this! I will set this up today and try it
out.<BR><BR>Chris<BR><BR>PS- I got to meet and spend some time with your
Father in law last weekend at the Winston Salem contest. How many of us
are lucky enough to have a Father in law that flies pattern????
Awesome<BR><BR><BR>Troy Newman wrote:
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Chris,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Ok this is the way to solve that...VTR is a Lin-Lin function as
you stated.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Instead turn on your normal expo like you want it on your low
rate like you want it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Next go to program mixing on Pmix 6, 7 or 8 these are the mixes
that are available for curve mixing. We are going to create a curve mix that
activates at about 90% stick travel to mix rudd to rudd. This way we can
create any kind of expo curve we want. Its a custom one. It will be dependant
on what ever curves you already have setup...so lets use the radios expo
function for the center part and create a new curve at the ends...by adding
more travel via a mix...when can do this on a curve that we select the points
on.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>At Program Mix 6-7-8</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>The screen will say INH</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Press 4 and 4</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>This will bring up Rudd->Rudd</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>The next thing on the screen will pop up as type "Norm" press
select to get it to read "CURV"</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Next press enter.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>This will bring up a mixing screen that shows only one point on
the curve in the middle. Also on that screen will say EXP "OFF" Press sel to
turn the expo function for the curve mixing "on". This will make a smooth
transition between points. The horizontal line will be at zero value. This
zero value means use the current expo values and slopes.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>You are mixing rudder to rudder so any time there is a zero
value there is no change to the current rudder and expo curve. Ignore the mix
values for now and press page. It<SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff> will bring up your switch selection screen. You can
pick like FM2 to have the mix on or off. or the gear switch or something like
that. You can even set it up to only work when the engine is below a certain
throttle setting. Lots of ways to activate this mix....we will talk about why
you might need those options a little later. For now pick a switch. Press the
"SEL" under the switch of choice and it will toggle to POS1 of the
mix.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff><SPAN class=109404602-06052008>Press page again...under MASTER
it will say "NORM" we want it to say "ORIG". This means that the curve will be
dependant on the rudder stick only and not anything to do with rudder rates.
Its like what I described to Ed. Leave the trim function "OFF" If you leave it
as normal then you will have to reach the rudder rate value before the curve
kicks in...So if your low rate never gets to the 90% travel of the servo the
mix will never kick in...so setting at ORIG will make it totally dependant on
the rudder stick position and not the rudders servo
position.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff><SPAN class=109404602-06052008>Press page again and it will take
you back to the mixing value screen. Pretty easy you are now all setup to put
the mix values in and setup a curve.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff><SPAN class=109404602-06052008>Flip your switch you chose until
just under #RUDD is says "POS1" Then follow these steps below to setup a
curve.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Move the rudder stick to one side left or right. The closest
point you can make is about 88% and about 12% on the other side. Hold the
rudder stick over to the 87-88% point and press store. This will give you a
point on the curve at the 88% value. Do the same thing at the 12%-13% value.
Now your curve will have 3 points. marked 1-2-3. Between points 1 and point 3
don't make any changes leave that at zero mix. This way your rudder expo and
so on stays the same..in the middle where you fly.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Move the rudder stick to the stops left and increase the mix
value to say +30%....this will take your normal rudder rate at full deflection
(in your case low rate) and increase it by 30%. This will put you to high rate
when you hit the last 10% of the stick travel. Since you picked to have the
exp function for curve mixing turned on the transition from your normal expo
to the higher rate will be smooth and ramp up rather than go straight line to
the 30% value. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Your value maybe 10% or 20% higher rather than 30% higher. Or it
could be even more like 40-50% higher. Watch your model and see what is going
on so you don't over drive your servo.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Also of note...any rate you set in the D/R screen will get the
extra 30% added to it at the end when this mix is ON...So this is fine if you
are on low rate at 70%...but when the stick hits full deflection it will jump
up to 100% travel. The problem is this....If you high rate is already at 100%
it will get another 30% added to it.....it will go to 130% and might over
drive the servo</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>There is a solution to this below but make sure you are not over
traveling your servos until we are done setting it up.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>DO the same for the other side too. Now the last 10% of the
stick travel sends you via a curve mix to a new rudder D/R</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>With flight modes this is easy. You can have it active in one
flight mode and not another....Since flight modes can have independent
rates...you can have your high rate with this mix turned off or you can adjust
the value of your high rate back and leave the mix on and make sure its not
over driving the linkage.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Notice the POS 0 or POS 1 values you can create two of these
little curves. One could be zero mix everywhere or one could be a smaller
amount of mix and the other a higher number.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Always keep the middle values on the curve at zero. And always
make sure to not over drive the servos.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>You now have a rudd to rudder mix setup to give you normal expo
in the middle and steeper curve that you set the endpoint on at the end.
Always realize you are adding that 30% or what ever your number is to the
already programmed D/R.....In this way you can create custom expo curves and
inflections points where you want them.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>By the way the 10X has 3 curve type mixes each with 2 different
mixing curves. SO you can do this same thing to all 3 primary flight controls.
When you have dual elevator servos on and do it to elevator they will work
together, when flapperon is on for ailerons they will still work
together.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>next thing is doing funny stuff with turn this on and off. My
guess is you want it for stall turns. So set it up on the Thro stick as the
switch and program the point on the throttle stick where is swaps from
position 0 and Position 1 in the mix. Then you can also have it on a FM to
turn it off so that when you are trying to do your 45 down snaps...the mix is
off and you are not getting this maxed out rudder throw.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Really it took me about 2 mins to setup and 10mins to write it
step by step. Its super easy...just turn on the radio on and turn on you Plane
and you will see how it works...its really easy.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>This same idea could be used to create a low rate...or different
expo curves...and since you have two different curves for each mix you can
have one for high throttle, one for low throttle, one for FM1 and one for all
other FM's</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>This is an extremely powerful tool.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>if you have a problem with this call me and I'll walk you
through on a TX at the same time. I know I probably totally confused you...but
its so easy it stupid...You will hit your forehead and go Duhhhh. Believe
me...Its that easy.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>....just took a page of words to explain what you were trying to
do.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>I could tell RVP how to setup his AILEVATORS too but he doesn't
want to do it that way. And I don't have one of those radios anymore to walk
through it. SO I'll stick with I remember...Its much easier this way. Besides
Ron I think is working on his ACE MicroPro and just planning to switch to the
9Z. He heard there was thing called PCM and since everybody else was going to
2.4 he thought this new PCM thing had pretty much been tested well over the
last few years and worked pretty good. I think he is planning out the
transition and wanting to know if he needs a servo reversing Y
harness.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Smile Ron, I was smiling when I wrote that...you know me. I
might not have been the first one to send that shot over your bow, but mine
has happy faces on it! </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Troy Newman</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Team JR</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>chris moon<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 05, 2008 7:40
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[NSRCA-discussion] JR 10X Programming<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>Now my turn for a JR
question this time. I am trying to activate VTR <BR>for my rudder under code
13 (D/R and EXPO). I can get it switched to <BR>VTR and 90%, but then I lose
the expo that I had programmed in and it <BR>goes to a linear low rate up till
it reaches 90% then kicks to full. <BR>The problem is that I need the expo
also to soften out the center while <BR>keeping the VTR. Any
help??<BR><BR>Thanks<BR><BR>Chris<BR><BR><BR>
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