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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Chris,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Ok this is the way to solve that...VTR is a Lin-Lin function as
you stated.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Instead turn on your normal expo like you want it on your low rate
like you want it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Next go to program mixing on Pmix 6, 7 or 8 these are the mixes
that are available for curve mixing. We are going to create a curve mix that
activates at about 90% stick travel to mix rudd to rudd. This way we can create
any kind of expo curve we want. Its a custom one. It will be dependant on what
ever curves you already have setup...so lets use the radios expo function for
the center part and create a new curve at the ends...by adding more travel via a
mix...when can do this on a curve that we select the points
on.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>At Program Mix 6-7-8</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>The screen will say INH</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Press 4 and 4</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>This will bring up Rudd->Rudd</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>The next thing on the screen will pop up as type "Norm" press
select to get it to read "CURV"</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Next press enter.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>This will bring up a mixing screen that shows only one point on
the curve in the middle. Also on that screen will say EXP "OFF" Press sel
to turn the expo function for the curve mixing "on". This will make a smooth
transition between points. The horizontal line will be at zero value. This
zero value means use the current expo values and slopes.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>You are mixing rudder to rudder so any time there is a zero value
there is no change to the current rudder and expo curve. Ignore the mix values
for now and press page. It<SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff> will bring up your switch selection screen. You can pick like FM2
to have the mix on or off. or the gear switch or something like that. You can
even set it up to only work when the engine is below a certain throttle setting.
Lots of ways to activate this mix....we will talk about why you might need those
options a little later. For now pick a switch. Press the "SEL" under the switch
of choice and it will toggle to POS1 of the
mix.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff><SPAN class=109404602-06052008>Press page again...under MASTER it
will say "NORM" we want it to say "ORIG". This means that the curve will be
dependant on the rudder stick only and not anything to do with rudder rates. Its
like what I described to Ed. Leave the trim function "OFF" If you leave it as
normal then you will have to reach the rudder rate value before the curve kicks
in...So if your low rate never gets to the 90% travel of the servo the mix will
never kick in...so setting at ORIG will make it totally dependant on the rudder
stick position and not the rudders servo position.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff><SPAN class=109404602-06052008>Press page again and it will take
you back to the mixing value screen. Pretty easy you are now all setup to put
the mix values in and setup a curve.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff><SPAN class=109404602-06052008>Flip your switch you chose until
just under #RUDD is says "POS1" Then follow these steps below to setup a
curve.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff><SPAN class=109404602-06052008></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Move the rudder stick to one side left or right. The closest
point you can make is about 88% and about 12% on the other side. Hold the
rudder stick over to the 87-88% point and press store. This will give you a
point on the curve at the 88% value. Do the same thing at the 12%-13% value. Now
your curve will have 3 points. marked 1-2-3. Between points 1 and point 3 don't
make any changes leave that at zero mix. This way your rudder expo and so on
stays the same..in the middle where you fly.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Move the rudder stick to the stops left and increase the mix value
to say +30%....this will take your normal rudder rate at full deflection (in
your case low rate) and increase it by 30%. This will put you to high rate when
you hit the last 10% of the stick travel. Since you picked to have the exp
function for curve mixing turned on the transition from your normal expo to the
higher rate will be smooth and ramp up rather than go straight line to the 30%
value. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Your value maybe 10% or 20% higher rather than 30% higher. Or it
could be even more like 40-50% higher. Watch your model and see what is going on
so you don't over drive your servo.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Also of note...any rate you set in the D/R screen will get the
extra 30% added to it at the end when this mix is ON...So this is fine if you
are on low rate at 70%...but when the stick hits full deflection it will jump up
to 100% travel. The problem is this....If you high rate is already at 100% it
will get another 30% added to it.....it will go to 130% and might over drive the
servo</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>There is a solution to this below but make sure you are not over
traveling your servos until we are done setting it up.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>DO the same for the other side too. Now the last 10% of the stick
travel sends you via a curve mix to a new rudder D/R</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>With flight modes this is easy. You can have it active in one
flight mode and not another....Since flight modes can have independent
rates...you can have your high rate with this mix turned off or you can adjust
the value of your high rate back and leave the mix on and make sure its not over
driving the linkage.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Notice the POS 0 or POS 1 values you can create two of these
little curves. One could be zero mix everywhere or one could be a smaller
amount of mix and the other a higher number.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Always keep the middle values on the curve at zero. And always
make sure to not over drive the servos.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>You now have a rudd to rudder mix setup to give you normal expo in
the middle and steeper curve that you set the endpoint on at the end. Always
realize you are adding that 30% or what ever your number is to the already
programmed D/R.....In this way you can create custom expo curves and inflections
points where you want them.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>By the way the 10X has 3 curve type mixes each with 2 different
mixing curves. SO you can do this same thing to all 3 primary flight
controls. When you have dual elevator servos on and do it to elevator they
will work together, when flapperon is on for ailerons they will still work
together.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>next thing is doing funny stuff with turn this on and off. My
guess is you want it for stall turns. So set it up on the Thro stick as the
switch and program the point on the throttle stick where is swaps from position
0 and Position 1 in the mix. Then you can also have it on a FM to turn it
off so that when you are trying to do your 45 down snaps...the mix is off and
you are not getting this maxed out rudder throw.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Really it took me about 2 mins to setup and 10mins to write it
step by step. Its super easy...just turn on the radio on and turn on you Plane
and you will see how it works...its really easy.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>This same idea could be used to create a low rate...or different
expo curves...and since you have two different curves for each mix you can have
one for high throttle, one for low throttle, one for FM1 and one for all other
FM's</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>This is an extremely powerful tool.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>if you have a problem with this call me and I'll walk you through
on a TX at the same time. I know I probably totally confused you...but its
so easy it stupid...You will hit your forehead and go Duhhhh. Believe me...Its
that easy.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>....just took a page of words to explain what you were trying to
do.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>I could tell RVP how to setup his AILEVATORS too but he doesn't
want to do it that way. And I don't have one of those radios anymore to walk
through it. SO I'll stick with I remember...Its much easier this way. Besides
Ron I think is working on his ACE MicroPro and just planning to switch to the
9Z. He heard there was thing called PCM and since everybody else was going
to 2.4 he thought this new PCM thing had pretty much been tested well over the
last few years and worked pretty good. I think he is planning out the
transition and wanting to know if he needs a servo reversing Y
harness.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Smile Ron, I was smiling when I wrote that...you know me. I might
not have been the first one to send that shot over your bow, but mine has happy
faces on it! </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Troy Newman</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109404602-06052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Team JR</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>chris
moon<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 05, 2008 7:40 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] JR 10X
Programming<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Now my turn for a JR question this time. I am trying to activate VTR
<BR>for my rudder under code 13 (D/R and EXPO). I can get it switched to <BR>VTR
and 90%, but then I lose the expo that I had programmed in and it <BR>goes to a
linear low rate up till it reaches 90% then kicks to full. <BR>The problem is
that I need the expo also to soften out the center while <BR>keeping the VTR.
Any help??<BR><BR>Thanks<BR><BR>Chris<BR><BR><BR>
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