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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Experience has proven old farts are as
potent as young (kiddie) farts&#8230;and visa-versa.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jay Marshall<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 30, 2008
11:32 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Rules change proposal</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>What about Old Fart points? Are you
kiddies worried?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>JShulman<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 30, 2008
12:22 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Rules change proposal</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Wow, you mean I still get
kiddie points.... best news all day...lol</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Regards,<br>
Jason<br>
www.jasonshulman.com<br>
www.shulmanaviation.com<br>
www.composite-arf.com</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>

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12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>rcmaster199@aol.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 30, 2008
12:14 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Rules change proposal</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Ohhhhh!!!!!!!!!!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Do you mean we should stop giving Jason and Andrew
kiddie points???? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt'>MattK<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Ron Van Putte &lt;vanputte@cox.net&gt;<br>
To: General pattern discussion &lt;nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org&gt;<br>
Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 9:13 am<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules change proposal<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>You were kidding?&nbsp;&nbsp; I wasn't kidding about getting special scoring&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; bonuses for age and (lack of) height.&nbsp; Or was I?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ron VP&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; On Apr 30, 2008, at 6:01 AM, John Konneker wrote:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Matt,&nbsp; &gt; You know I'm just kidding right?&nbsp; &gt; :-)&nbsp; &gt; JLK&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt; From: <a
href="mailto:mjfrederick@cox.net">mjfrederick@cox.net</a>&nbsp; &gt; To: <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>&nbsp; &gt; Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:40:55 -0500&nbsp; &gt; Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules change proposal&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt; I don't see the necessity for such a proposal... All the people you&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; are competing with in your region (hence breaking the NSRCA up into&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; districts) are dealing with the same problem. It would be a net&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; </span></font></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;zero change in the results, just allowing you to feel better about&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; yourself because you got better scores... to quote the Godfather...&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &quot;After all, we are not communists...&quot; While we're at it let's just&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; change the name of the sport to Soccer...&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt; Matt&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt; Yeah, I know I'm gonna ruffle some feathers with the soccer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; remark... get over it...&nbsp; &gt; ----- Original Message -----&nbsp; &gt; From: John Konneker&nbsp; &gt; To: General pattern discussion&nbsp; &gt; Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 4:34 PM&nbsp; &gt; Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules change proposal&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt; Anthony,&nbsp; &gt; Please don't think of it as a &quot;handicap&quot;.&nbsp; &gt; Think of it as a well...let's call it what it is.&nbsp; &gt; A &quot;Correction Factor&quot;.&nbsp; &gt; I can see this process causing a lot of changes.&nbsp; &gt; How 'bout the monthly magazine's name becomming &quot;The NSRCA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Correction Factor&quot;?!?&nbsp; &gt; This is only the tip of the iceberg (get it...iceberg...lol)&nbsp; &gt; JLK&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;</span></font></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> ; Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:19:51 -0700&nbsp; &gt; From: <a
href="mailto:aabdu@sbcglobal.net">aabdu@sbcglobal.net</a>&nbsp; &gt; To: <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>&nbsp; &gt; Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules change proposal&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt; John,&nbsp; &gt; You are a fricking genius. As a snow belt sufferer living less than&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; 90 miles from <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Buffalo</st1:City> <st1:State w:st="on">New York</st1:State></st1:place>, I could use the &quot;handicap&quot; to&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; adjust for our nearly 8 month long winter and subsequent RC&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; inactivity.&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt; Tim Wortkoetter &lt;<a
href="mailto:twortkoetter@yahoo.com">twortkoetter@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:&nbsp; &gt; I think it should also apply to people who have two kids under the&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; age of 3.&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt; Tim Wortkoetter&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt; ----- Original Message ----&nbsp; &gt; From: John Konneker &lt;<a
href="mailto:jlkonn@hotmail.com">jlkonn@hotmail.com</a>&gt;&nbsp; &gt; To: Discussion List &lt;<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrc</a></span></font></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span class=MsoHyperlink><u><font
size=2 color=blue face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"> a.org</a></span></font></u></span><tt><font
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='color:black'>&gt;&nbsp; &gt; Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 3:56:43 PM&nbsp; &gt; Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules change proposal&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt; I have been impressed by the spirit of fair play and sportsmanship&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; in the NSRCA since returning to pattern.&nbsp; &gt; I feel though that there has been an oversight in the rules that I&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; think now could be corrected.&nbsp; &gt; I just got in from flying my Focus II for the first time since last&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; October.&nbsp; &gt; It (I) was terrible!&nbsp; The long winter layoffs here in the northern&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; climes imposes a real hardship on pattern pilots living here.&nbsp; &gt; To be fair I would like to propose an adjustment to the maneuver k-&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; factors based on the annual mean temperature and&nbsp; &gt; extreme lows (I want to leave out highs) of where one lives.&nbsp; &gt; For example my lowest k-factor would be 10 for landing and takeoff&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; and then go up from there according to degree of difficulty of&nbsp; &gt; maneuver.&nbsp; In some cases I can see 20+ easily.&nbsp; &gt;</span></font></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp; Folks like Derek, Ron Davies, Chris Fitzsimmons living in&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">California</st1:place></st1:State> would have highest k-factors of 1...who knows...maybe&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; even fractional or minus.&nbsp; These k-factors would be assigned by&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; pilot and voted on only by members that have at least 24&quot; of snow&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; each year.&nbsp; &gt; What do you all think?&nbsp; &gt; I want to be fair.&nbsp; &gt; JLK&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt; Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Try it now._______________________________________________&nbsp; &gt; NSRCA-discussion mailing list&nbsp; &gt; <a
href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>&nbsp; &gt; <a
href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a>&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt; _______________________________________________&nbsp; &gt; NSRCA-discussion mailing list&nbsp; &gt; <a
href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>&nbsp; &gt; <a
href="h%20ttp:/lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion"
target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a>&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt; _______________________________________________&nbsp; &gt; NSRCA-discussion mailing list&nbsp; &gt; <a
href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>&nbsp; &gt; <a
href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; _______________________________________________&nbsp; NSRCA-discussion mailing list&nbsp; <a
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href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a>&nbsp; </span></font></tt><o:p></o:p></pre></div>

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