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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>One method I forgot to mention is ground penetrating
radar. There are several companies that do this. Kind of expensive though. Used
to find pipe and any void in the ground. Even used to find bodies buried in the
ground.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Del Rykert<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, April 07, 2008 3:29
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>As Dave suggested around our neck of the
world we do use a metal rod/piano wire works, and poke in the ground to mark
with flags where the pipe is.. When working with a 4 inch pipe it should be
relatively easy to catch the pipe. Inch and a half abit tougher. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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href="mailto:patternpilot@verizon.net" title="patternpilot@verizon.net">Dennis</a>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Sunday, April 06,
2008 10:25 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Ron,<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle18><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Having worked 30+ years in the municipal water
industry there is no way of locating a PVC pipe. I have seen a system that when
attached to a fire hydrant or a faucet will induce a sonic signal into the pipe
by creating a resonating sound into the water. The theory is to pick up the
sound with a receiving device. It wasn’t very accurate though. All
locating equipment relay on the ability to transmit a signal through the pipe.
PVC will not relay any signal. Without a tracer wire the only way to find your
pipe will be to dig it. Sorry.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Dennis Cone<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Rex<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, April 06, 2008 6:11
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Off Topic - Need Help</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Oh Ya... I want
to watch that! Ron on his knees, crawling around, listening to the <br>
ground with a stethoscope! The neighbors are gonna love that!
I hope they take pics....<br>
But, I'm wondering.... will worms give a false reading?<br>
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Rex<br>
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> From: lightfoot@sc.rr.com<br>
> To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 20:31:52 -0400<br>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Off Topic - Need Help<br>
> <br>
> You can use a stethoscope.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Jay Marshall<br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<br>
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jerry<br>
> Stebbins<br>
> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 6:46 PM<br>
> To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Off Topic - Need Help<br>
> <br>
> Ron, I have seen utilities folks use a very sensitive mike. They turned
the <br>
> water flow off and on and were able to hear it loudest at two points and
dug<br>
> <br>
> a line between. Hit it almost dead on.<br>
> Jerry<br>
> ----- Original Message ----- <br>
> From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte@cox.net><br>
> To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 5:13 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Off Topic - Need Help<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> > The location is up in the foothills of the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Smoky</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Mountains</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>
in<br>
> > southwest <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Georgia</st1:place></st1:country-region>.
The well services a group of about twenty cabins<br>
> > and the pipes were installed in about 1977. We want to install a<br>
> > cutoff valve in a 4" PVC pipe about 100 yards from the well, but
want<br>
> > to minimize the digging to find the pipe. I can't find any record of<br>
> > how the pipes were installed; no layout plan. I think the pipes were<br>
> > privately installed, so no local utilities were involved.<br>
> ><br>
> > I don't mean to impose on the Discussion List to solve the problem,<br>
> > but I thought someone might be able to save me some time and energy.<br>
> ><br>
> > Ron Van Putte<br>
> ><br>
> > On Apr 6, 2008, at 3:20 PM, rj520@aol.com wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> Try your local utilities locate phone #. They seem to be able to<br>
> >> find just about anything.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Randy Johnston<br>
> >><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > ----- Original Message -----<br>
> > From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte@cox.net><br>
> > To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
> > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 3:04 PM<br>
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Off Topic - Need Help<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >> I am trying to trace the route of a 4" PVC water pipe about
100 yards<br>
> >> from a well. The pipe is buried about 12" to 14"
underground. I<br>
> >> think it goes fairly straight. I don't want to dig down to find
the<br>
> >> pipe until I'm sure where it is, because the soil is VERY
difficult<br>
> >> to dig in, due to lots of gravel and clay. Although I'm sure
there<br>
> >> are instruments which will enable one to trace the route of the
pipe,<br>
> >> I don't have a clue who to ask. Any help available out there?<br>
> >><br>
> >> Ron Van Putte<br>
> >><br>
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