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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Vince</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You were supposed to be flying today, not
yapping</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BTY, I ran across some astoundingly reflexive
wrapping paper. Today I wrapped about 18" of my fuse, close behind the wing, for
a test flight. Hurt more than helped - don't think anything will benefit
these old
eyes.
Nat</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:23
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Interesting</DIV>
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<DIV>Rex,</DIV>
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<DIV>We are building a plant at ORNL (Oak Ridge National Lab). As
we know ORNL is the premier energy research institution. The plan
will meet all the EPA requirements. We are installing an ESP
(Electrostatic Precipitator) and SCR to control NOX. Burning
alcohol is too expensive for this application. Around
$30/MMBtu. </DIV>
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<DIV class=signature id=signature>--<BR>Vicente "Vince" Bortone</DIV>
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Oh, you can't do that... The EPA will be all over you! Too much
particulate matter from the burner exhaust! Now if you are<BR>burning
alcohol, not a problem... unfortunately, Alcohol is what you are
trying to produce... It's a vicious circle<BR>I saw a report a few
years back about flying R/C using alcohol... the report concluded that
our hobby actually helped the<BR>ozone layer. The oils that are
burning are negligible, and are mostly synthetic, so they don't hurt the
environment.<BR>Maybe the EPA employee that did the study, flies
R/C... lol<BR> <BR>Rex<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV>We are selling wood to Europe as a fuel for biomass plants there and
we are using oil and gas here. Fuel oil and natural gas are
more expensive. After correcting for boiler efficiencies the wood
cost around $5-6/MMBtu. Fuel oil and gas is around
$10-15/MMBtu. I think we could figure this out easy....</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Funny stuff, Rex. My brother was a timber buyer
for Weyerhauser for about 10 years before deciding to join the Jesuits,
and he dealt with the same kind of ignorance all the time. One thing
many people don't realize is that there are more trees on the planet now
than there has ever been (thanks totally to the timber industry), and
that all these "old growth" forests people always complain about cutting
down really aren't doing anyone any good other than being aesthetically
pleasing... old trees consume more oxygen than they produce! He told me
recently on average, a tree will begin doing that after 15-20
years.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Matt</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 29, 2008
3:54 PM</DIV>
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Interesting</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I'm glad to hear the mention of wood.... I've
been falling timber for twenty years or so.<BR>You wouldn't
believe the range of comments I get from people. A while back, I
was coming<BR>out of one of the local stores, in my work garb...
next to the market is one of these "back<BR>to nature" type stores
that ships worldwide. They had just expanded by about 50,000 sq.
ft....<BR>One of their employees made a comment to me about wondering
why I still had a job, killing<BR>our forests... I asked her if
she liked working in that new building? And, did she notice
the<BR>brand on the lumber used in building the space she loved so
much? Then I told her that I cut<BR>the timber that made the
lumber used in her building... Then I told her she was welcome,
and <BR>walked off! She looked like a deer in the
headlights!<BR> <BR>Rex<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV>Wood is considered carbon neutral. In other
worlds, if you send that scrap wood to the landfill will
decompose and produce CO2 also. Wood also
displace fossil fuel and our dependence of foreign
oils. </DIV>
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<DIV>--<BR>Vicente "Vince" Bortone</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But Vince, what about the
CO2</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 29,
2008 7:25 AM</DIV>
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[NSRCA-discussion] Interesting</DIV>
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<DIV>Talking about renewable energy. I am working in a
project to use biomass fuel to produce steam. This project
will use scrap wood to replace natural gas. I am
originally from Venezuela. As you can guess, I will do
everything to avoid buying oil from Hugo Chavez.</DIV>
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<DIV class=EC_EC_signature id=EC_EC_signature>--<BR>Vicente
"Vince" Bortone</DIV>
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<DIV> Nat seen some come though Indy a couple of years
ago that was being trucked, 2 separate flat beds, the tail
steerable like the old fire ladder trucks, one blade per,
routing very important LOL, and yes I was guessing 100 ft.
from what I have seen on TV is these things are getting bigger
extensionally from the early models.</DIV>
<DIV> Steve Maxwell<BR><BR><B><I>Nat Penton
<natpenton@centurytel.net></I></B> wrote: </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have never scene a modern
wind turbine before, but today a train load came thru
( South Louisiana ) - blades, hubs, housings ??
The blades were singly loaded, LE down, and occupied
approx 1 1/2 flatcars in length, 100ft ?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>They may be headed to the Gulf.
Sure hope it doesen't hurt the price of oil,
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