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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nat,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> You use the snap buttons? I'm shocked.
:)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A
href="http://www.idseng.com">http://www.idseng.com</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=natpenton@centurytel.net href="mailto:natpenton@centurytel.net">Nat
Penton</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:01
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
triangulation trimming</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cris</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. If there was a way I could get planform
dimensions ( wing and stab only), I could tell you where to put the
CG - and, we could eliminate that variable</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2. Use the snap button until you determine how to
trim the snaps. THEN you can fly them. This CRAP about timing controll
inputs is BS, unnessary, and one of your problems</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I say go back to 3/4 positive on the wing and 1/2
positive on the T/L. This should eliminate most of the KE pitch mix and
all of the downline
mix. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is the stab adjustable
?
Nat</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com
href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">krishlan fitzsimmons</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.f3a.us
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.f3a.us">nsrca-discussion@lists.f3a.us</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 21, 2008 11:22
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
triangulation trimming</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Ok, </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Well, I did feel I was a little tail heavy after thinking, so I moved
my batteries to the forward position and went back to 1/2 degree positive..
What a huge difference that made.. Line's are better than they have ever
been. I've always fought this plane in the wind, even on horizontal straight
flights.. Today, horizontal lines were hands off.. And it was pretty windy..
Up lines were much easier to fly. Not sure if it pulls to the canopy up or
down as it was windy. But it held the track better all the way around. The
wind was straight down the runway, and the plane held it's distance almost
by itself. Very little heading corrections were needed. Before, I've always
seemed to be on the rudder.. Even without wind. I actually left the field
and said, dang, that's the best this plane has ever flown.. Even told the
wife!!<IMG
src="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/04.gif"></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Snaps, well that's still the strange thing. Inverted snaps seem very
sluggish, like I break it with down ele, then throw in the aileron and
rudder, and you can see the break, then it starts to barrel, then it speeds
up and can over rotate a little ( I added more aileron throw, and took out
some elevator and rudder, seemed to help a little. Regular snaps are
lightning fast, but they stop when I let go of the sticks. They'd be great
if they weren't so fast. I usually use one dual rate switch which is for low
and high rate. Never needed anything different. I think I may need to try an
inverted snap dual rate and a regular snap dual rate on different switches.
That'll be a fun one to remember.. lol</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Oh, it carries a little up trim in the ele's now. My knife
up elevator mix of 15% on both sides is still there, but the roll
coupling changed a little.</DIV>
<DIV>I kinda liked how the cg felt, I gave myself 5 percent more down
ele so my stick felt the same inverted. Still I think I'd like to try it a
little further forward, but I feel it would be a mistake. I didn't change
motor thrust yet as I wanted to see the difference of the cg and incidence
change first. I did feel I had too much positive in the wings and that I was
a little tailheavy.. That's why I said the honest setup of the plane last
time.</DIV>
<DIV>So now I am, 0 downthrust, 1/2 pos wings, 0 stab. But it needs a little
up trim. I liked the way it flew, and presented today (especially in the
wind). Just didn't care for the snaps. </DIV>
<DIV>More tomorrow night if I can get out after the easter egg hunt, or
Sunday after the race..</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Any suggestions?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks, </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Chris<BR><BR><B><I>shinden1@cox.net</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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sorry I have not got back to you<BR>I see you have 3/4 deg pos in the
wings ,,thats too much! <BR>too much pos inc, will have the same feeling
and response as too much tail weight the rudder will make the nose pitch
down in both normal flying or knife ,,,and even vertical lines because of
the down elevator needed to trim the model<BR>go to 1/2 pos. on the wings
1/2 deg down thrust ,,<BR>and then move the c/g around till the left knife
has no mix or very little is needed ,,and the inverted elevator and rolls
feel good <BR>every thing else will fall in place <BR>any time you need up
trim with left and right rudder input your tail heavy ,,or you have too
much pos. inc in the wing <BR>Bryan <BR><BR>---- krishlan fitzsimmons
<HOMEREMODELING2003@YAHOO.COM>wrote: <BR>> Bryan, <BR>> I was
hopeful to hear back from you on this before I made a change. No worries
though, I know you are busy, and you've been a great help with all of us..
<BR>> So if I go cg forward, I will need less positive in the wings as
I wil need up trim in the ele's, correct? Or should I add 1/2 degree of
down thrust? After seeing my uplines and my horizontal lines, I don't
think I need it. But, what do I know? lol<BR>> I think the cg forward
could help my snaps and my downlines. I love the way it flys inverted and
rolling right now, but I need to change.. I'll try the cg forward and less
positive. <BR>> <BR>> C<BR>> <BR>> vicenterc@comcast.net
wrote:<BR>> Chris,<BR>> <BR>> Very good information. How much
right thrust? I think you are correct, move the CG a little more forward.
It could help the snaps also.<BR>> <BR>> --<BR>> Vicente "Vince"
Bortone<BR>> <BR>> -------------- Original message
----------------------<BR>> From: krishlan fitzsimmons <BR>> > Ok
Bryan, <BR>> > <BR>> > Here's how I went out today and man was
I suprised, 0 degree down thrust, 0 <BR>> > stab, 3/4 positive in
the wing.. Cg forward where Budd recommends. What a <BR>> >
difference.. I had a neutral elevator for the first time since I owned the
plane <BR>> > without adjusting things.. Uplines were good,
downlines pulled to the canopy <BR>> > still. Horizontal lines, the
plane DID feel more locked into the line.. It's <BR>> > never felt
like that.. Mixing, well it still needed about 15% up mix in knifes,
<BR>> > down from 30% though. Inverted nearly hands off. 45 roll to
inverted slowly <BR>> > drops the nose. 45 downs are locked in.
Snaps, well they suck for some reason. w<BR>> > Not from this, but
when I did cg, and other changes before, I changed throws cuz <BR>>
> the snaps sucked. It took alot more down ele, and aileron for
inverted snaps.. <BR>> > And still, when I start the snap, it
breaks, then slowly gets into the snap, <BR>> > then speeds up too
fast causing an overrotation. Regular snaps are now too fast <BR>> >
(easy to cure though with a different dual rate<BR>> > setting).
<BR>> > I think my cg could go forward to help with the up ele
needed in knife, and <BR>> > also the pull to canopy on downlines
maybe?? Or should I play with the wing <BR>> > adjusters
more?<BR>> > <BR>> > Thanks, <BR>> > <BR>> >
Chris<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Nat Penton wrote:<BR>>
> Wayne<BR>> > You missed the seminar - that was the rest room
.<BR>> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > From: Wayne
Galligan <BR>> > To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> > Sent: Tuesday,
March 18, 2008 10:21 AM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
triangulation trimming<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > John
Crapper was not the original inventor of the toilet. However Thomas
<BR>> > Crapper was one of the people that was responsible for it
popularity. Not to <BR>> > sure where John L Crapper came from but
the original inventor was John <BR>> > Harington. So maybe that's
how the "John" and the "Crapper" have been come to <BR>> > be known
as.<BR>> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > From: Wayne
Galligan <BR>> > To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> > Sent: Tuesday,
March 18, 2008 10:11 AM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
triangulation trimming<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Water
Closet (WC) is a toilet that disposes of the waste by using water to
<BR>> > flush it through a drainpipe to another location. Modern
toilets incorporate an <BR>> > 'S' bend; this 'trap' creates a water
seal which remains filled the 'S' bend <BR>> > also provides siphon
action which helps accelerate the flushing process. Water <BR>> >
filling up the bowl creates a high pressure area which forces the water
past the <BR>> > S bend. At the S bend when water starts to move it
creates a vacuum that pulls <BR>> > the water and waste out of the
toilet. When no more water is left then the air <BR>> > stops the
siphon or vacuum process. At that point the water that is going into
<BR>> > the bowl continues to fill up the bowl to equalize the bowl
and the S bend. This <BR>> > ends the cycle of one flush. Since
there were no rooms designated for toilets <BR>> > or crappers as
they were called (named after John L Crapper, inventor of the <BR>>
> flush toilet) the term Water Closet was coined as homes that had the
out houses <BR>> > moved indoors were usually located in<BR>>
> closets in the home.<BR>> > <BR>> > Flush
away............<BR>> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> >
From: Karl G. Mueller <BR>> > To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> >
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:45 AM<BR>> > Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming<BR>> > <BR>> >
<BR>> > Vicente,<BR>> > <BR>> > "WC" actually is the
short form of "Water Closet".<BR>> > That's what the early Toilets
were called.<BR>> > <BR>> > Karl G. Mueller<BR>> >
kgamueller@rogers.com<BR>> > <BR>> > ----- Original Message
----- <BR>> > From: vicenterc@comcast.net <BR>> > To:
adriancwong@earthlink.net ; NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> > Sent: Monday,
March 17, 2008 10:04 PM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
triangulation trimming<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > WC =
toilet. I wonder how many went and check. <BR>> > <BR>> >
--<BR>> > Vicente "Vince" Bortone<BR>> > <BR>> >
-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>> > From:
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BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff } <BR>> > body{font-family: <BR>> >
Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:
#ffffff;color: <BR>> > black;} "WC", huh? I haven't heard that word
since I've moved back from Hong <BR>> > Kong in the early 90's.
<BR>> > <BR>> > May be I should try the knife edge on a
vertical down line, instead of doing it <BR>> > horizontally?
<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > -----Original Message-----
<BR>> > From: vicenterc@comcast.net <BR>> > Sent: Mar 17, 2008
7:00 PM <BR>> > To: adriancwong@earthlink.net, NSRCA Mailing List
<BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming
<BR>> > <BR>> > That is called Coriolis accerelation. That is
why the water closets flush to <BR>> > the right in the North
hemisphere and to the left in the South hemisphere <BR>> > (looking
the water closet from above). If going down straight you are close to
<BR>> > the ecuator. If this do not happens as described the water
closet needs to be <BR>> > trimmed. <BR>> > <BR>> >
--<BR>> > Vicente "Vince" Bortone<BR>> > <BR>> >
-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>> > From:
adriancwong@earthlink.net <BR>> > I think Bryan is hiding in his
wind tunnel trying to duplicate the same <BR>> > condition.<BR>>
> <BR>> > I don't think it was my digits. It's probably between
the earth's gravitational <BR>> > pull and soething in the northern
hemisphere. I bet the plane will do the exact <BR>> > opposite if I
fly it in Australia ... .-)<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> >
-----Original Message----- <BR>> > From: Derek Koopowitz <BR>>
> Sent: Mar 17, 2008 3:36 PM <BR>> > To: NSRCA Mailing List
<BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming
<BR>> > <BR>> > I think he wishes it was his thumbs...
:)<BR>> > <BR>> > The push to the belly was more than the pull
to the canopy... the pull was <BR>> > very slight.<BR>> >
<BR>> > <BR>> > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 3:24 PM, krishlan
fitzsimmons <BR>> > wrote:<BR>> > I was going to tell Adrian
his thumbs cause this.. <BR>> > Just kidding of course
Adrian..<BR>> > <BR>> > C <BR>> > <BR>> > Nat
Penton wrote:<BR>> > <BR>> > Where is Bryan when you need him
<BR>> > <BR>> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> >
From: <BR>> > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <BR>> > Sent: Sunday,
March 16, 2008 10:17 PM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
triangulation trimming<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > >
Bryan,<BR>> > ><BR>> > > What cause the plane to pull to
the belly on one rudder, and to the canopy <BR>> > > on the other
rudder during knife edge.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Thx,<BR>>
> ><BR>> > > Adrian<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
-----Original Message-----<BR>> > >>From:
shinden1@cox.net<BR>> > >>Sent: Mar 16, 2008 7:17 PM<BR>>
> >>To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> > <BR>> >
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming<BR>>
> >><BR>> > >>Lance you need to find out exactly
where the wing inc . is.<BR>> > >>I think if you move your c/g
back a little it will help take some of the <BR>> > >>up trim
out But you prob need more pos inc, in the wing so we need to know
<BR>> > >>where you are at right now to determine exactly
where to go<BR>> > >>Bryan<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>>
> >>---- Lance Van Nostrand wrote:<BR>> > >>>
Bryan,<BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>> The discussion
list moves faster than I can try this stuff out. Too bad <BR>> >
>>> I<BR>> > >>> have to work...<BR>> >
>>><BR>> > >>> I first only moved my CG forward
significantly and have improved overall<BR>> > >>>
tracking. It was windy Saturday and wind penetration were good. <BR>>
> >>> Bryan's<BR>> > >>> suggestion was correct
on CG movement to make this improvement. However<BR>> > >>>
with the forward CG (and resultant uptrim) it pulls to the canopy <BR>>
> >>> slightly<BR>> > >>> on downlines. At this
point I noticed that during inverted flight, <BR>> > >>>
rudder<BR>> > >>> input caused a pull to the belly (plane
rose). This was weird. I then<BR>> > >>> raised the
incidence 2 turns and it fixed the inverted flight problem <BR>> >
>>> but it<BR>> > >>> seemed to make the canopy
pul! l worse . Interestingly, KE flight was not<BR>> > >>>
noticeably affected.<BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>>
The other affect is that inverted 45 downlines drop toward earth faster
<BR>> > >>> than<BR>> > >>> upright 45s
(which track nicely). Before this change, both 45s were <BR>> >
>>> fine.<BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>> Is
this the expectation?<BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>>
--Lance<BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>>
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> <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> >
---------------------------------<BR>> Looking for last minute shopping
deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.<BR>> <BR>> From: krishlan
fitzsimmons <HOMEREMODELING2003@YAHOO.COM><BR>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
<NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
triangulation trimming<BR>> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:24:07
+0000<BR>> <BR>> Ok Bryan, <BR>> <BR>> Here's how I went out
today and man was I suprised, 0 degree down thrust, 0 stab, 3/4 positive
in the wing.. Cg forward where Budd recommends. What a difference.. I had
a neutral elevator for the first time since I owned the plane without
adjusting things.. Uplines were good, downlines pulled to the canopy
still. Horizontal lines, the plane DID feel more locked into the line..
It's never felt like that.. Mixing, well it still needed about 15% up mix
in knifes, down from 30% though. Inverted nearly hands off. 45 roll to
inverted slowly drops the nose. 45 downs are locked in. Snaps, well they
suck for some reason. Not from this, but when I did cg, and other changes
before, I changed throws cuz the snaps sucked. It took alot more down ele,
and aileron for inverted snaps.. And still, when I start the snap, it
breaks, then slowly gets into the snap, then speeds up too fast causing an
overrotation. Regular snaps are now too fast (easy to cure though with a
different dual rate<BR>> setting). <BR>> I think my cg could go
forward to help with the up ele needed in knife, and also the pull to
canopy on downlines maybe?? Or should I play with the wing adjusters
more?<BR>> <BR>> Thanks, <BR>> <BR>> Chris<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> Nat Penton <NATPENTON@CENTURYTEL.NET>wrote:<BR>> Wayne<BR>>
You missed the seminar - that was the rest room <G>.<BR>> -----
Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Wayne Galligan <BR>> To: NSRCA
Mailing List <BR>> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:21 AM<BR>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> John Crapper was not the original inventor of the toilet. However
Thomas Crapper was one of the people that was responsible for it
popularity. Not to sure where John L Crapper came from but the original
inventor was John Harington. So maybe that's how the "John" and the
"Crapper" have been come to be known as.<BR>> ----- Original Message
----- <BR>> From: Wayne Galligan <BR>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:11 AM<BR>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Water
Closet (WC) is a toilet that disposes of the waste by using water to flush
it through a drainpipe to another location. Modern toilets incorporate an
'S' bend; this 'trap' creates a water seal which remains filled the 'S'
bend also provides siphon action which helps accelerate the flushing
process. Water filling up the bowl creates a high pressure area which
forces the water past the S bend. At the S bend when water starts to move
it creates a vacuum that pulls the water and waste out of the toilet. When
no more water is left then the air stops the siphon or vacuum process. At
that point the water that is going into the bowl continues to fill up the
bowl to equalize the bowl and the S bend. This ends the cycle of one
flush. Since there were no rooms designated for toilets or crappers as
they were called (named after John L Crapper, inventor of the flush
toilet) the term Water Closet was coined as homes that had the out houses
moved indoors were usually located in<BR>> closets in the home.<BR>>
<BR>> Flush away............<BR>> ----- Original Message -----
<BR>> From: Karl G. Mueller <BR>> To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR>>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:45 AM<BR>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
Vicente,<BR>> <BR>> "WC" actually is the short form of "Water
Closet".<BR>> That's what the early Toilets were called.<BR>>
<BR>> Karl G. Mueller<BR>> kgamueller@rogers.com<BR>> <BR>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: vicenterc@comcast.net <BR>>
To: adriancwong@earthlink.net ; NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> Sent: Monday,
March 17, 2008 10:04 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
triangulation trimming<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> WC = toilet. I wonder how
many went and check. <BR>> <BR>> --<BR>> Vicente "Vince"
Bortone<BR>> <BR>> -------------- Original message --------------
<BR>> From: adriancwong@earthlink.net <BR>> BODY { FONT-SIZE: 9pt;
COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;
BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff } body{font-family:
Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:
#ffffff;color: black;} "WC", huh? I haven't heard that word since I've
moved back from Hong Kong in the early 90's. <BR>> <BR>> May be I
should try the knife edge on a vertical down line, instead of doing it
horizontally? <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message-----
<BR>> From: vicenterc@comcast.net <BR>> Sent: Mar 17, 2008 7:00 PM
<BR>> To: adriancwong@earthlink.net, NSRCA Mailing List <BR>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming <BR>> <BR>>
That is called Coriolis accerelation. That is why the water closets flush
to the right in the North hemisphere and to the left in the South
hemisphere (looking the water closet from above). If going down straight
you are close to the ecuator. If this do not happens as described the
water closet needs to be trimmed. <BR>> <BR>> --<BR>> Vicente
"Vince" Bortone<BR>> <BR>> -------------- Original message
-------------- <BR>> From: adriancwong@earthlink.net <BR>> I think
Bryan is hiding in his wind tunnel trying to duplicate the same
condition.<BR>> <BR>> I don't think it was my digits. It's probably
between the earth's gravitational pull and soething in the northern
hemisphere. I bet the plane will do the exact opposite if I fly it in
Australia ... .-)<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message-----
<BR>> From: Derek Koopowitz <BR>> Sent: Mar 17, 2008 3:36 PM
<BR>> To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
triangulation trimming <BR>> <BR>> I think he wishes it was his
thumbs... :)<BR>> <BR>> The push to the belly was more than the pull
to the canopy... the pull was very slight.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On
Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 3:24 PM, krishlan fitzsimmons
<HOMEREMODELING2003@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR>> I was going to tell Adrian
his thumbs cause this.. <BR>> Just kidding of course Adrian..<BR>>
<BR>> C <BR>> <BR>> Nat Penton
<NATPENTON@CENTURYTEL.NET>wrote:<BR>> <BR>> Where is Bryan when you
need him <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From:
<BR>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <BR>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008
10:17 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation
trimming<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > Bryan,<BR>> ><BR>> >
What cause the plane to pull to the belly on one rudder, and to the canopy
<BR>> > on the other rudder during knife edge.<BR>> ><BR>>
> Thx,<BR>> ><BR>> > Adrian<BR>> ><BR>> >
-----Original Message-----<BR>> >>From: shinden1@cox.net<BR>>
>>Sent: Mar 16, 2008 7:17 PM<BR>> >>To: NSRCA Mailing List
<BR>> <BR>> >>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation
trimming<BR>> >><BR>> >>Lance you need to find out
exactly where the wing inc . is.<BR>> >>I think if you move your
c/g back a little it will help take some of the <BR>> >>up trim
out But you prob need more pos inc, in the wing so we need to know
<BR>> >>where you are at right now to determine exactly where to
go<BR>> >>Bryan<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> >>---- Lance Van
Nostrand wrote:<BR>> >>> Bryan,<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> The discussion list moves faster than I can try this stuff
out. Too bad <BR>> >>> I<BR>> >>> have to
work...<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> I first only moved my CG
forward significantly and have improved overall<BR>> >>>
tracking. It was windy Saturday and wind penetration were good. <BR>>
>>> Bryan's<BR>> >>> suggestion was correct on CG
movement to make this improvement. However<BR>> >>> with the
forward CG (and resultant uptrim) it pulls to the canopy <BR>>
>>> slightly<BR>> >>> on downlines. At this point I
noticed that during inverted flight, <BR>> >>> rudder<BR>>
>>> input caused a pull to the belly (plane rose). This was
weird. I then<BR>> >>> raised the incidence 2 turns and it
fixed the inverted flight problem <BR>> >>> but it<BR>>
>>> seemed to make the canopy pul! l worse . Interestingly, KE
flight was not<BR>> >>> noticeably affected.<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> The other affect is that inverted 45
downlines drop toward earth faster <BR>> >>> than<BR>>
>>> upright 45s (which track nicely). Before this change, both
45s were <BR><BR>=== message truncated ===</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>
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