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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Chris,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Fly it through the snap. Lots of elevator at
first, then less as you progress. More rudder and less aileron too. It's
over-rotating because the stall is deep (too much elevator). You want it just on
the ragged edge so you can get out of the stalled condition
quickly.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A
href="http://www.idseng.com">http://www.idseng.com</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com
href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">krishlan fitzsimmons</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:22
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
triangulation trimming</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Ok, </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Well, I did feel I was a little tail heavy after thinking, so I moved my
batteries to the forward position and went back to 1/2 degree positive.. What
a huge difference that made.. Line's are better than they have ever been. I've
always fought this plane in the wind, even on horizontal straight flights..
Today, horizontal lines were hands off.. And it was pretty windy.. Up lines
were much easier to fly. Not sure if it pulls to the canopy up or down as it
was windy. But it held the track better all the way around. The wind was
straight down the runway, and the plane held it's distance almost by itself.
Very little heading corrections were needed. Before, I've always seemed to be
on the rudder.. Even without wind. I actually left the field and said, dang,
that's the best this plane has ever flown.. Even told the wife!!<IMG
src="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/04.gif"></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Snaps, well that's still the strange thing. Inverted snaps seem very
sluggish, like I break it with down ele, then throw in the aileron and rudder,
and you can see the break, then it starts to barrel, then it speeds up and can
over rotate a little ( I added more aileron throw, and took out some elevator
and rudder, seemed to help a little. Regular snaps are lightning fast, but
they stop when I let go of the sticks. They'd be great if they weren't so
fast. I usually use one dual rate switch which is for low and high rate. Never
needed anything different. I think I may need to try an inverted snap dual
rate and a regular snap dual rate on different switches. That'll be a fun one
to remember.. lol</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Oh, it carries a little up trim in the ele's now. My knife
up elevator mix of 15% on both sides is still there, but the roll
coupling changed a little.</DIV>
<DIV>I kinda liked how the cg felt, I gave myself 5 percent more down
ele so my stick felt the same inverted. Still I think I'd like to try it a
little further forward, but I feel it would be a mistake. I didn't change
motor thrust yet as I wanted to see the difference of the cg and incidence
change first. I did feel I had too much positive in the wings and that I was a
little tailheavy.. That's why I said the honest setup of the plane last
time.</DIV>
<DIV>So now I am, 0 downthrust, 1/2 pos wings, 0 stab. But it needs a little
up trim. I liked the way it flew, and presented today (especially in the
wind). Just didn't care for the snaps. </DIV>
<DIV>More tomorrow night if I can get out after the easter egg hunt, or Sunday
after the race..</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Any suggestions?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks, </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Chris<BR><BR><B><I>shinden1@cox.net</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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sorry I have not got back to you<BR>I see you have 3/4 deg pos in the wings
,,thats too much! <BR>too much pos inc, will have the same feeling and
response as too much tail weight the rudder will make the nose pitch down in
both normal flying or knife ,,,and even vertical lines because of the down
elevator needed to trim the model<BR>go to 1/2 pos. on the wings 1/2 deg
down thrust ,,<BR>and then move the c/g around till the left knife has no
mix or very little is needed ,,and the inverted elevator and rolls feel good
<BR>every thing else will fall in place <BR>any time you need up trim with
left and right rudder input your tail heavy ,,or you have too much pos. inc
in the wing <BR>Bryan <BR><BR>---- krishlan fitzsimmons
<HOMEREMODELING2003@YAHOO.COM>wrote: <BR>> Bryan, <BR>> I was hopeful
to hear back from you on this before I made a change. No worries though, I
know you are busy, and you've been a great help with all of us.. <BR>> So
if I go cg forward, I will need less positive in the wings as I wil need up
trim in the ele's, correct? Or should I add 1/2 degree of down thrust? After
seeing my uplines and my horizontal lines, I don't think I need it. But,
what do I know? lol<BR>> I think the cg forward could help my snaps and
my downlines. I love the way it flys inverted and rolling right now, but I
need to change.. I'll try the cg forward and less positive. <BR>>
<BR>> C<BR>> <BR>> vicenterc@comcast.net wrote:<BR>>
Chris,<BR>> <BR>> Very good information. How much right thrust? I
think you are correct, move the CG a little more forward. It could help the
snaps also.<BR>> <BR>> --<BR>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone<BR>>
<BR>> -------------- Original message ----------------------<BR>>
From: krishlan fitzsimmons <BR>> > Ok Bryan, <BR>> > <BR>>
> Here's how I went out today and man was I suprised, 0 degree down
thrust, 0 <BR>> > stab, 3/4 positive in the wing.. Cg forward where
Budd recommends. What a <BR>> > difference.. I had a neutral elevator
for the first time since I owned the plane <BR>> > without adjusting
things.. Uplines were good, downlines pulled to the canopy <BR>> >
still. Horizontal lines, the plane DID feel more locked into the line.. It's
<BR>> > never felt like that.. Mixing, well it still needed about 15%
up mix in knifes, <BR>> > down from 30% though. Inverted nearly hands
off. 45 roll to inverted slowly <BR>> > drops the nose. 45 downs are
locked in. Snaps, well they suck for some reason. w<BR>> > Not from
this, but when I did cg, and other changes before, I changed throws cuz
<BR>> > the snaps sucked. It took alot more down ele, and aileron for
inverted snaps.. <BR>> > And still, when I start the snap, it breaks,
then slowly gets into the snap, <BR>> > then speeds up too fast
causing an overrotation. Regular snaps are now too fast <BR>> > (easy
to cure though with a different dual rate<BR>> > setting). <BR>>
> I think my cg could go forward to help with the up ele needed in knife,
and <BR>> > also the pull to canopy on downlines maybe?? Or should I
play with the wing <BR>> > adjusters more?<BR>> > <BR>> >
Thanks, <BR>> > <BR>> > Chris<BR>> > <BR>> >
<BR>> > Nat Penton wrote:<BR>> > Wayne<BR>> > You missed
the seminar - that was the rest room .<BR>> > ----- Original Message
----- <BR>> > From: Wayne Galligan <BR>> > To: NSRCA Mailing
List <BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:21 AM<BR>> >
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming<BR>> > <BR>>
> <BR>> > John Crapper was not the original inventor of the toilet.
However Thomas <BR>> > Crapper was one of the people that was
responsible for it popularity. Not to <BR>> > sure where John L
Crapper came from but the original inventor was John <BR>> >
Harington. So maybe that's how the "John" and the "Crapper" have been come
to <BR>> > be known as.<BR>> > ----- Original Message -----
<BR>> > From: Wayne Galligan <BR>> > To: NSRCA Mailing List
<BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:11 AM<BR>> > Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming<BR>> > <BR>> >
<BR>> > Water Closet (WC) is a toilet that disposes of the waste by
using water to <BR>> > flush it through a drainpipe to another
location. Modern toilets incorporate an <BR>> > 'S' bend; this 'trap'
creates a water seal which remains filled the 'S' bend <BR>> > also
provides siphon action which helps accelerate the flushing process. Water
<BR>> > filling up the bowl creates a high pressure area which forces
the water past the <BR>> > S bend. At the S bend when water starts to
move it creates a vacuum that pulls <BR>> > the water and waste out of
the toilet. When no more water is left then the air <BR>> > stops the
siphon or vacuum process. At that point the water that is going into
<BR>> > the bowl continues to fill up the bowl to equalize the bowl
and the S bend. This <BR>> > ends the cycle of one flush. Since there
were no rooms designated for toilets <BR>> > or crappers as they were
called (named after John L Crapper, inventor of the <BR>> > flush
toilet) the term Water Closet was coined as homes that had the out houses
<BR>> > moved indoors were usually located in<BR>> > closets in
the home.<BR>> > <BR>> > Flush away............<BR>> >
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > From: Karl G. Mueller <BR>>
> To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008
10:45 AM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation
trimming<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Vicente,<BR>> >
<BR>> > "WC" actually is the short form of "Water Closet".<BR>>
> That's what the early Toilets were called.<BR>> > <BR>> >
Karl G. Mueller<BR>> > kgamueller@rogers.com<BR>> > <BR>>
> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > From: vicenterc@comcast.net
<BR>> > To: adriancwong@earthlink.net ; NSRCA Mailing List <BR>>
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:04 PM<BR>> > Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming<BR>> > <BR>> >
<BR>> > WC = toilet. I wonder how many went and check. <BR>> >
<BR>> > --<BR>> > Vicente "Vince" Bortone<BR>> > <BR>>
> -------------- Original message -------------- <BR>> > From:
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FONT-FAMILY: <BR>> > Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;
BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff } <BR>> > body{font-family: <BR>> >
Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:
#ffffff;color: <BR>> > black;} "WC", huh? I haven't heard that word
since I've moved back from Hong <BR>> > Kong in the early 90's.
<BR>> > <BR>> > May be I should try the knife edge on a vertical
down line, instead of doing it <BR>> > horizontally? <BR>> >
<BR>> > <BR>> > -----Original Message----- <BR>> > From:
vicenterc@comcast.net <BR>> > Sent: Mar 17, 2008 7:00 PM <BR>> >
To: adriancwong@earthlink.net, NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> > Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming <BR>> > <BR>> > That
is called Coriolis accerelation. That is why the water closets flush to
<BR>> > the right in the North hemisphere and to the left in the South
hemisphere <BR>> > (looking the water closet from above). If going
down straight you are close to <BR>> > the ecuator. If this do not
happens as described the water closet needs to be <BR>> > trimmed.
<BR>> > <BR>> > --<BR>> > Vicente "Vince" Bortone<BR>>
> <BR>> > -------------- Original message -------------- <BR>>
> From: adriancwong@earthlink.net <BR>> > I think Bryan is hiding
in his wind tunnel trying to duplicate the same <BR>> >
condition.<BR>> > <BR>> > I don't think it was my digits. It's
probably between the earth's gravitational <BR>> > pull and soething
in the northern hemisphere. I bet the plane will do the exact <BR>> >
opposite if I fly it in Australia ... .-)<BR>> > <BR>> >
<BR>> > -----Original Message----- <BR>> > From: Derek Koopowitz
<BR>> > Sent: Mar 17, 2008 3:36 PM <BR>> > To: NSRCA Mailing
List <BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming
<BR>> > <BR>> > I think he wishes it was his thumbs...
:)<BR>> > <BR>> > The push to the belly was more than the pull
to the canopy... the pull was <BR>> > very slight.<BR>> >
<BR>> > <BR>> > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 3:24 PM, krishlan
fitzsimmons <BR>> > wrote:<BR>> > I was going to tell Adrian his
thumbs cause this.. <BR>> > Just kidding of course Adrian..<BR>>
> <BR>> > C <BR>> > <BR>> > Nat Penton wrote:<BR>>
> <BR>> > Where is Bryan when you need him <BR>> > <BR>>
> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > From: <BR>> > To:
"NSRCA Mailing List" <BR>> > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:17
PM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation
trimming<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > > Bryan,<BR>> >
><BR>> > > What cause the plane to pull to the belly on one
rudder, and to the canopy <BR>> > > on the other rudder during
knife edge.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Thx,<BR>> >
><BR>> > > Adrian<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
-----Original Message-----<BR>> > >>From:
shinden1@cox.net<BR>> > >>Sent: Mar 16, 2008 7:17 PM<BR>>
> >>To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> > <BR>> >
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming<BR>> >
>><BR>> > >>Lance you need to find out exactly where the
wing inc . is.<BR>> > >>I think if you move your c/g back a
little it will help take some of the <BR>> > >>up trim out But
you prob need more pos inc, in the wing so we need to know <BR>> >
>>where you are at right now to determine exactly where to go<BR>>
> >>Bryan<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > >>----
Lance Van Nostrand wrote:<BR>> > >>> Bryan,<BR>> >
>>><BR>> > >>> The discussion list moves faster than
I can try this stuff out. Too bad <BR>> > >>> I<BR>> >
>>> have to work...<BR>> > >>><BR>> >
>>> I first only moved my CG forward significantly and have
improved overall<BR>> > >>> tracking. It was windy Saturday
and wind penetration were good. <BR>> > >>> Bryan's<BR>>
> >>> suggestion was correct on CG movement to make this
improvement. However<BR>> > >>> with the forward CG (and
resultant uptrim) it pulls to the canopy <BR>> > >>>
slightly<BR>> > >>> on downlines. At this point I noticed
that during inverted flight, <BR>> > >>> rudder<BR>> >
>>> input caused a pull to the belly (plane rose). This was weird.
I then<BR>> > >>> raised the incidence 2 turns and it fixed
the inverted flight problem <BR>> > >>> but it<BR>> >
>>> seemed to make the canopy pul! l worse . Interestingly, KE
flight was not<BR>> > >>> noticeably affected.<BR>> >
>>><BR>> > >>> The other affect is that inverted 45
downlines drop toward earth faster <BR>> > >>> than<BR>>
> >>> upright 45s (which track nicely). Before this change, both
45s were <BR>> > >>> fine.<BR>> > >>><BR>>
> >>> Is this the expectation?<BR>> > >>><BR>>
> >>> --Lance<BR>> > >>><BR>> >
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fitzsimmons <HOMEREMODELING2003@YAHOO.COM><BR>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
<NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
triangulation trimming<BR>> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:24:07 +0000<BR>>
<BR>> Ok Bryan, <BR>> <BR>> Here's how I went out today and man was
I suprised, 0 degree down thrust, 0 stab, 3/4 positive in the wing.. Cg
forward where Budd recommends. What a difference.. I had a neutral elevator
for the first time since I owned the plane without adjusting things..
Uplines were good, downlines pulled to the canopy still. Horizontal lines,
the plane DID feel more locked into the line.. It's never felt like that..
Mixing, well it still needed about 15% up mix in knifes, down from 30%
though. Inverted nearly hands off. 45 roll to inverted slowly drops the
nose. 45 downs are locked in. Snaps, well they suck for some reason. Not
from this, but when I did cg, and other changes before, I changed throws cuz
the snaps sucked. It took alot more down ele, and aileron for inverted
snaps.. And still, when I start the snap, it breaks, then slowly gets into
the snap, then speeds up too fast causing an overrotation. Regular snaps are
now too fast (easy to cure though with a different dual rate<BR>>
setting). <BR>> I think my cg could go forward to help with the up ele
needed in knife, and also the pull to canopy on downlines maybe?? Or should
I play with the wing adjusters more?<BR>> <BR>> Thanks, <BR>>
<BR>> Chris<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Nat Penton
<NATPENTON@CENTURYTEL.NET>wrote:<BR>> Wayne<BR>> You missed the
seminar - that was the rest room <G>.<BR>> ----- Original Message -----
<BR>> From: Wayne Galligan <BR>> To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> Sent:
Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:21 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
triangulation trimming<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> John Crapper was not the
original inventor of the toilet. However Thomas Crapper was one of the
people that was responsible for it popularity. Not to sure where John L
Crapper came from but the original inventor was John Harington. So maybe
that's how the "John" and the "Crapper" have been come to be known
as.<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Wayne Galligan
<BR>> To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:11
AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> Water Closet (WC) is a toilet that disposes of the waste
by using water to flush it through a drainpipe to another location. Modern
toilets incorporate an 'S' bend; this 'trap' creates a water seal which
remains filled the 'S' bend also provides siphon action which helps
accelerate the flushing process. Water filling up the bowl creates a high
pressure area which forces the water past the S bend. At the S bend when
water starts to move it creates a vacuum that pulls the water and waste out
of the toilet. When no more water is left then the air stops the siphon or
vacuum process. At that point the water that is going into the bowl
continues to fill up the bowl to equalize the bowl and the S bend. This ends
the cycle of one flush. Since there were no rooms designated for toilets or
crappers as they were called (named after John L Crapper, inventor of the
flush toilet) the term Water Closet was coined as homes that had the out
houses moved indoors were usually located in<BR>> closets in the
home.<BR>> <BR>> Flush away............<BR>> ----- Original Message
----- <BR>> From: Karl G. Mueller <BR>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:45 AM<BR>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
Vicente,<BR>> <BR>> "WC" actually is the short form of "Water
Closet".<BR>> That's what the early Toilets were called.<BR>> <BR>>
Karl G. Mueller<BR>> kgamueller@rogers.com<BR>> <BR>> -----
Original Message ----- <BR>> From: vicenterc@comcast.net <BR>> To:
adriancwong@earthlink.net ; NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> Sent: Monday, March
17, 2008 10:04 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation
trimming<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> WC = toilet. I wonder how many went and
check. <BR>> <BR>> --<BR>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone<BR>> <BR>>
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body{font-family:
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#ffffff;color: black;} "WC", huh? I haven't heard that word since I've moved
back from Hong Kong in the early 90's. <BR>> <BR>> May be I should try
the knife edge on a vertical down line, instead of doing it horizontally?
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From:
vicenterc@comcast.net <BR>> Sent: Mar 17, 2008 7:00 PM <BR>> To:
adriancwong@earthlink.net, NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming <BR>> <BR>> That is called
Coriolis accerelation. That is why the water closets flush to the right in
the North hemisphere and to the left in the South hemisphere (looking the
water closet from above). If going down straight you are close to the
ecuator. If this do not happens as described the water closet needs to be
trimmed. <BR>> <BR>> --<BR>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone<BR>>
<BR>> -------------- Original message -------------- <BR>> From:
adriancwong@earthlink.net <BR>> I think Bryan is hiding in his wind
tunnel trying to duplicate the same condition.<BR>> <BR>> I don't
think it was my digits. It's probably between the earth's gravitational pull
and soething in the northern hemisphere. I bet the plane will do the exact
opposite if I fly it in Australia ... .-)<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
-----Original Message----- <BR>> From: Derek Koopowitz <BR>> Sent: Mar
17, 2008 3:36 PM <BR>> To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming <BR>> <BR>> I think he
wishes it was his thumbs... :)<BR>> <BR>> The push to the belly was
more than the pull to the canopy... the pull was very slight.<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 3:24 PM, krishlan fitzsimmons
<HOMEREMODELING2003@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR>> I was going to tell Adrian his
thumbs cause this.. <BR>> Just kidding of course Adrian..<BR>>
<BR>> C <BR>> <BR>> Nat Penton
<NATPENTON@CENTURYTEL.NET>wrote:<BR>> <BR>> Where is Bryan when you
need him <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From:
<BR>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <BR>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008
10:17 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation
trimming<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > Bryan,<BR>> ><BR>> >
What cause the plane to pull to the belly on one rudder, and to the canopy
<BR>> > on the other rudder during knife edge.<BR>> ><BR>>
> Thx,<BR>> ><BR>> > Adrian<BR>> ><BR>> >
-----Original Message-----<BR>> >>From: shinden1@cox.net<BR>>
>>Sent: Mar 16, 2008 7:17 PM<BR>> >>To: NSRCA Mailing List
<BR>> <BR>> >>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation
trimming<BR>> >><BR>> >>Lance you need to find out exactly
where the wing inc . is.<BR>> >>I think if you move your c/g back a
little it will help take some of the <BR>> >>up trim out But you
prob need more pos inc, in the wing so we need to know <BR>>
>>where you are at right now to determine exactly where to go<BR>>
>>Bryan<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> >>---- Lance Van Nostrand
wrote:<BR>> >>> Bryan,<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>
The discussion list moves faster than I can try this stuff out. Too bad
<BR>> >>> I<BR>> >>> have to work...<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> I first only moved my CG forward
significantly and have improved overall<BR>> >>> tracking. It
was windy Saturday and wind penetration were good. <BR>> >>>
Bryan's<BR>> >>> suggestion was correct on CG movement to make
this improvement. However<BR>> >>> with the forward CG (and
resultant uptrim) it pulls to the canopy <BR>> >>>
slightly<BR>> >>> on downlines. At this point I noticed that
during inverted flight, <BR>> >>> rudder<BR>> >>>
input caused a pull to the belly (plane rose). This was weird. I
then<BR>> >>> raised the incidence 2 turns and it fixed the
inverted flight problem <BR>> >>> but it<BR>> >>>
seemed to make the canopy pul! l worse . Interestingly, KE flight was
not<BR>> >>> noticeably affected.<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> The other affect is that inverted 45 downlines drop toward
earth faster <BR>> >>> than<BR>> >>> upright 45s
(which track nicely). Before this change, both 45s were <BR><BR>=== message
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