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size=2>Make 1 change at a time, Chris. Move the CG
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>krishlan
fitzsimmons<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:45 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
triangulation trimming<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Bryan, </DIV>
<DIV>I was hopeful to hear back from you on this before I made a change. No
worries though, I know you are busy, and you've been a great help with all of
us.. </DIV>
<DIV>So if I go cg forward, I will need less positive in the wings as I wil need
up trim in the ele's, correct? Or should I add 1/2 degree of down thrust? After
seeing my uplines and my horizontal lines, I don't think I need it. But, what do
I know? lol</DIV>
<DIV>I think the cg forward could help my snaps and my downlines. I love the way
it flys inverted and rolling right now, but I need to change.. I'll try the cg
forward and less positive. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>C<BR><BR><B><I>vicenterc@comcast.net</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Chris,<BR><BR>Very
good information. How much right thrust? I think you are correct, move the CG
a little more forward. It could help the snaps also.<BR><BR>--<BR>Vicente
"Vince" Bortone<BR><BR>-------------- Original message
----------------------<BR>From: krishlan fitzsimmons
<HOMEREMODELING2003@YAHOO.COM><BR>> Ok Bryan, <BR>> <BR>> Here's how
I went out today and man was I suprised, 0 degree down thrust, 0 <BR>>
stab, 3/4 positive in the wing.. Cg forward where Budd recommends. What a
<BR>> difference.. I had a neutral elevator for the first time since I
owned the plane <BR>> without adjusting things.. Uplines were good,
downlines pulled to the canopy <BR>> still. Horizontal lines, the plane DID
feel more locked into the line.. It's <BR>> never felt like that.. Mixing,
well it still needed about 15% up mix in knifes, <BR>> down from 30%
though. Inverted nearly hands off. 45 roll to inverted slowly <BR>> drops
the nose. 45 downs are locked in. Snaps, well they suck for some reason.
w<BR>> Not from this, but when I did cg, and other changes before, I
changed throws cuz <BR>> the snaps sucked. It took alot more down ele, and
aileron for inverted snaps.. <BR>> And still, when I start the snap, it
breaks, then slowly gets into the snap, <BR>> then speeds up too fast
causing an overrotation. Regular snaps are now too fast <BR>> (easy to cure
though with a different dual rate<BR>> setting). <BR>> I think my cg
could go forward to help with the up ele needed in knife, and <BR>> also
the pull to canopy on downlines maybe?? Or should I play with the wing
<BR>> adjusters more?<BR>> <BR>> Thanks, <BR>> <BR>>
Chris<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Nat Penton
<NATPENTON@CENTURYTEL.NET>wrote:<BR>> Wayne<BR>> You missed the seminar
- that was the rest room <G>.<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>
From: Wayne Galligan <BR>> To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> Sent: Tuesday,
March 18, 2008 10:21 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation
trimming<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> John Crapper was not the original inventor
of the toilet. However Thomas <BR>> Crapper was one of the people that was
responsible for it popularity. Not to <BR>> sure where John L Crapper came
from but the original inventor was John <BR>> Harington. So maybe that's
how the "John" and the "Crapper" have been come to <BR>> be known
as.<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Wayne Galligan
<BR>> To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:11
AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> Water Closet (WC) is a toilet that disposes of the waste by
using water to <BR>> flush it through a drainpipe to another location.
Modern toilets incorporate an <BR>> 'S' bend; this 'trap' creates a water
seal which remains filled the 'S' bend <BR>> also provides siphon action
which helps accelerate the flushing process. Water <BR>> filling up the
bowl creates a high pressure area which forces the water past the <BR>> S
bend. At the S bend when water starts to move it creates a vacuum that pulls
<BR>> the water and waste out of the toilet. When no more water is left
then the air <BR>> stops the siphon or vacuum process. At that point the
water that is going into <BR>> the bowl continues to fill up the bowl to
equalize the bowl and the S bend. This <BR>> ends the cycle of one flush.
Since there were no rooms designated for toilets <BR>> or crappers as they
were called (named after John L Crapper, inventor of the <BR>> flush
toilet) the term Water Closet was coined as homes that had the out houses
<BR>> moved indoors were usually located in<BR>> closets in the
home.<BR>> <BR>> Flush away............<BR>> ----- Original Message
----- <BR>> From: Karl G. Mueller <BR>> To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR>>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:45 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
triangulation trimming<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Vicente,<BR>> <BR>>
"WC" actually is the short form of "Water Closet".<BR>> That's what the
early Toilets were called.<BR>> <BR>> Karl G. Mueller<BR>>
kgamueller@rogers.com<BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>
From: vicenterc@comcast.net <BR>> To: adriancwong@earthlink.net ; NSRCA
Mailing List <BR>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:04 PM<BR>> Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> WC =
toilet. I wonder how many went and check. <BR>> <BR>> --<BR>> Vicente
"Vince" Bortone<BR>> <BR>> -------------- Original message
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#ffffff;color: <BR>> black;} "WC", huh? I haven't heard that word since
I've moved back from Hong <BR>> Kong in the early 90's. <BR>> <BR>>
May be I should try the knife edge on a vertical down line, instead of doing
it <BR>> horizontally? <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original
Message----- <BR>> From: vicenterc@comcast.net <BR>> Sent: Mar 17, 2008
7:00 PM <BR>> To: adriancwong@earthlink.net, NSRCA Mailing List <BR>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming <BR>> <BR>> That
is called Coriolis accerelation. That is why the water closets flush to
<BR>> the right in the North hemisphere and to the left in the South
hemisphere <BR>> (looking the water closet from above). If going down
straight you are close to <BR>> the ecuator. If this do not happens as
described the water closet needs to be <BR>> trimmed. <BR>> <BR>>
--<BR>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone<BR>> <BR>> -------------- Original
message -------------- <BR>> From: adriancwong@earthlink.net <BR>> I
think Bryan is hiding in his wind tunnel trying to duplicate the same <BR>>
condition.<BR>> <BR>> I don't think it was my digits. It's probably
between the earth's gravitational <BR>> pull and soething in the northern
hemisphere. I bet the plane will do the exact <BR>> opposite if I fly it in
Australia ... .-)<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message-----
<BR>> From: Derek Koopowitz <BR>> Sent: Mar 17, 2008 3:36 PM <BR>>
To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation
trimming <BR>> <BR>> I think he wishes it was his thumbs... :)<BR>>
<BR>> The push to the belly was more than the pull to the canopy... the
pull was <BR>> very slight.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008
at 3:24 PM, krishlan fitzsimmons <BR>>
<HOMEREMODELING2003@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR>> I was going to tell Adrian his
thumbs cause this.. <BR>> Just kidding of course Adrian..<BR>> <BR>>
C <BR>> <BR>> Nat Penton <NATPENTON@CENTURYTEL.NET>wrote:<BR>>
<BR>> Where is Bryan when you need him <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original
Message ----- <BR>> From: <BR>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <BR>> Sent:
Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:17 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
triangulation trimming<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > Bryan,<BR>>
><BR>> > What cause the plane to pull to the belly on one rudder, and
to the canopy <BR>> > on the other rudder during knife edge.<BR>>
><BR>> > Thx,<BR>> ><BR>> > Adrian<BR>> ><BR>>
> -----Original Message-----<BR>> >>From: shinden1@cox.net<BR>>
>>Sent: Mar 16, 2008 7:17 PM<BR>> >>To: NSRCA Mailing List
<BR>> <BR>> >>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation
trimming<BR>> >><BR>> >>Lance you need to find out exactly
where the wing inc . is.<BR>> >>I think if you move your c/g back a
little it will help take some of the <BR>> >>up trim out But you prob
need more pos inc, in the wing so we need to know <BR>> >>where you
are at right now to determine exactly where to go<BR>>
>>Bryan<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> >>---- Lance Van Nostrand
wrote:<BR>> >>> Bryan,<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>
The discussion list moves faster than I can try this stuff out. Too bad
<BR>> >>> I<BR>> >>> have to work...<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> I first only moved my CG forward
significantly and have improved overall<BR>> >>> tracking. It was
windy Saturday and wind penetration were good. <BR>> >>>
Bryan's<BR>> >>> suggestion was correct on CG movement to make
this improvement. However<BR>> >>> with the forward CG (and
resultant uptrim) it pulls to the canopy <BR>> >>>
slightly<BR>> >>> on downlines. At this point I noticed that
during inverted flight, <BR>> >>> rudder<BR>> >>>
input caused a pull to the belly (plane rose). This was weird. I then<BR>>
>>> raised the incidence 2 turns and it fixed the inverted flight
problem <BR>> >>> but it<BR>> >>> seemed to make the
canopy pul! l worse . Interestingly, KE flight was not<BR>> >>>
noticeably affected.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> The other
affect is that inverted 45 downlines drop toward earth faster <BR>>
>>> than<BR>> >>> upright 45s (which track nicely).
Before this change, both 45s were <BR>> >>> fine.<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> Is this the expectation?<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> --Lance<BR>> >>><BR>>
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Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.<BR><BR>From: krishlan fitzsimmons
<homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com><BR>To: NSRCA Mailing List
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
triangulation trimming<BR>Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:24:07 +0000<BR><BR>
<DIV>Ok Bryan, </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Here's how I went out today and man was I suprised, 0 degree down
thrust, 0 stab, 3/4 positive in the wing.. Cg forward where Budd recommends.
What a difference.. I had a neutral elevator for the first time since I owned
the plane without adjusting things.. Uplines were good, downlines pulled to
the canopy still. Horizontal lines, the plane DID feel more locked into the
line.. It's never felt like that.. Mixing, well it still needed about 15% up
mix in knifes, down from 30% though. Inverted nearly hands off. 45 roll to
inverted slowly drops the nose. 45 downs are locked in. Snaps, well they
suck for some reason. Not from this, but when I did cg, and other changes
before, I changed throws cuz the snaps sucked. It took alot
more down ele, and aileron for inverted snaps.. And still, when I start
the snap, it breaks, then slowly gets into the snap, then speeds up too fast
causing an overrotation. Regular snaps are now too fast (easy to cure though
with a different dual rate setting). </DIV>
<DIV>I think my cg could go forward to help with the up ele needed in knife,
and also the pull to canopy on downlines maybe?? Or should I play
with the wing adjusters more?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks, </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Chris</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><B><I>Nat Penton <natpenton@centurytel.net></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Wayne</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>You missed the seminar - that was the rest room
<G>.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=wgalligan@att.net href="mailto:wgalligan@att.net">Wayne
Galligan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.f3a.us
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.f3a.us">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:21
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
triangulation trimming</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>John Crapper was not the original inventor of the
toilet. However Thomas Crapper was one of the people that was
responsible for it popularity. Not to sure where John L Crapper came
from but the original inventor was John Harington. So maybe
that's how the "John" and the "Crapper" have been come to be known
as.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=wgalligan@att.net href="mailto:wgalligan@att.net">Wayne
Galligan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:11
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
triangulation trimming</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Water Closet</STRONG> (WC) is a <A title=Toilet
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet">toilet</A> that disposes of
the waste by using water to flush it through a drainpipe to another
location. Modern toilets incorporate an 'S' bend; this 'trap' creates a
water seal which remains filled the 'S' bend also provides siphon action
which helps accelerate the flushing process. Water filling up the bowl
creates a high pressure area which forces the water past the S bend. At
the S bend when water starts to move it creates a vacuum that pulls the
water and waste out of the toilet. When no more water is left then the
air stops the siphon or vacuum process. At that point the water that is
going into the bowl continues to fill up the bowl to equalize the bowl
and the S bend. This ends the cycle of one flush. Since there were
no rooms designated for toilets or crappers as they were called (named
after John L Crapper, inventor of the flush toilet) the term Water
Closet was coined as homes that had the out houses moved indoors were
usually located in closets in the home.</DIV>
<DIV><ATOMICELEMENT id=ms__id1401><FONT
size=2></FONT></ATOMICELEMENT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Flush away............</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=kgamueller@rogers.com
href="mailto:kgamueller@rogers.com">Karl G. Mueller</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 18, 2008
10:45 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
triangulation trimming</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>Vicente,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><ATOMICELEMENT id=ms__id1432><FONT
size=3></FONT></ATOMICELEMENT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>"WC" actually is the short form of "Water
Closet".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>That's what the early Toilets were
called.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><ATOMICELEMENT id=ms__id1437><FONT
size=3></FONT></ATOMICELEMENT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>Karl G. Mueller<BR><A
href="mailto:kgamueller@rogers.com">kgamueller@rogers.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=vicenterc@comcast.net
href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=adriancwong@earthlink.net
href="mailto:adriancwong@earthlink.net">adriancwong@earthlink.net</A>
; <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing
List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 17, 2008
10:04 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
triangulation trimming</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>WC = toilet. I wonder how many went and check. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV class=signature id=signature>--<BR>Vicente "Vince"
Bortone</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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"WC", huh? I haven't heard that word since I've moved back from
Hong Kong in the early 90's. <BR><BR>May be I should try the knife
edge on a vertical down line, instead of doing it horizontally?
<BR><BR><BR>
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href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</A>
<BR>Sent: Mar 17, 2008 7:00 PM <BR>To:
adriancwong@earthlink.net, NSRCA Mailing List
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<DIV>That is called Coriolis accerelation. That is why the
water closets flush to the right in the North hemisphere and to
the left in the South hemisphere (looking the water closet from
above). If going down straight you are close to
the ecuator. If this do not happens as described the
water closet needs to be trimmed. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV class=signature id=signature>--<BR>Vicente "Vince"
Bortone</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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think Bryan is hiding in his wind tunnel trying to duplicate
the same condition.<BR><BR>I don't think it was my digits.
It's probably between the earth's gravitational pull and
soething in the northern hemisphere. I bet the plane will do
the exact opposite if I fly it in Australia ...
.-)<BR><BR><BR>
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Message----- <BR>From: Derek Koopowitz
<DEREKKOOPOWITZ@GMAIL.COM><BR>Sent: Mar 17, 2008 3:36 PM
<BR>To: NSRCA Mailing List
<NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming
<BR><BR></NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG></DEREKKOOPOWITZ@GMAIL.COM>
<DIV>I think he wishes it was his thumbs... :)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The push to the belly was more than the pull to the
canopy... the pull was very slight.<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 3:24 PM,
krishlan fitzsimmons <<A
href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com"
target=_blank>homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>I was going to tell Adrian his thumbs cause this..
<IMG></DIV>
<DIV>Just kidding of course Adrian..</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>C
<DIV class=Ih2E3d><BR><BR><B><I>Nat Penton <<A
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<DIV class=Ih2E3d>Where is Bryan when you need him
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2008 10:17 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
triangulation trimming<BR><BR><BR>>
Bryan,<BR>><BR>> What cause the plane to pull to
the belly on one rudder, and to the canopy <BR>> on
the other rudder during knife edge.<BR>><BR>>
Thx,<BR>><BR>> Adrian<BR>><BR>>
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<DIV class=Ih2E3d>>>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] triangulation
trimming<BR>>><BR>>>Lance you need to find
out exactly where the wing inc . is.<BR>>>I think
if you move your c/g back a little it will help take
some of the <BR>>>up trim out But you prob need
more pos inc, in the wing so we need to know
<BR>>>where you are at right now to determine
exactly where to go<BR>>>Bryan<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=Wj3C7c>>>---- Lance Van Nostrand
wrote:<BR>>>>
Bryan,<BR>>>><BR>>>> The discussion
list moves faster than I can try this stuff out. Too bad
<BR>>>> I<BR>>>> have to
work...<BR>>>><BR>>>> I first only
moved my CG forward significantly and have improved
overall<BR>>>> tracking. It was windy Saturday
and wind penetration were good. <BR>>>>
Bryan's<BR>>>> suggestion was correct on CG
movement to make this improvement.
However<BR>>>> with the forward CG (and
resultant uptrim) it pulls to the canopy
<BR>>>> slightly<BR>>>> on downlines.
At this point I noticed that during inverted flight,
<BR>>>> rudder<BR>>>> input caused a
pull to the belly (plane rose). This was weird. I
then<BR>>>> raised the incidence 2 turns and it
fixed the inverted flight problem <BR>>>> but
it<BR>>>> seemed to make the canopy pul! l
worse . Interestingly, KE flight was not<BR>>>>
noticeably affected.<BR>>>><BR>>>> The
other affect is that inverted 45 downlines drop toward
earth faster <BR>>>> than<BR>>>>
upright 45s (which track nicely). Before this change,
both 45s were <BR>>>>
fine.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Is this the
expectation?<BR>>>><BR>>>>
--Lance<BR>>>><BR>>>>
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