[From nobody Tue Mar 18 17:01:56 2008
From: krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming
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Ok Bryan, 
   
  Here's how I went out today and man was I suprised, 0 degree down thrust, 0 stab, 3/4 positive in the wing.. Cg forward where Budd recommends. What a difference.. I had a neutral elevator for the first time since I owned the plane without adjusting things.. Uplines were good, downlines pulled to the canopy still. Horizontal lines, the plane DID feel more locked into the line.. It's never felt like that.. Mixing, well it still needed about 15% up mix in knifes, down from 30% though. Inverted nearly hands off. 45 roll to inverted slowly drops the nose. 45 downs are locked in. Snaps, well they suck for some reason. Not from this, but when I did cg, and other changes before, I changed throws cuz the snaps sucked.  It took alot more down ele, and aileron for inverted snaps..  And still, when I start the snap, it breaks, then slowly gets into the snap, then speeds up too fast causing an overrotation. Regular snaps are now too fast (easy to cure though with a different dual rate
 setting). 
  I think my cg could go forward to help with the up ele needed in knife, and also the pull to canopy on downlines maybe?? Or should I play with the wing adjusters more?
   
  Thanks, 
   
  Chris
   
  
Nat Penton <natpenton@centurytel.net> wrote:
      Wayne
  You missed the seminar - that was the rest room <G>.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Wayne Galligan 
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  Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming
  

  John Crapper was not the original inventor of the toilet.  However Thomas Crapper was one of the people that was responsible for it popularity.  Not to sure where John L Crapper came from but  the original inventor was John Harington.  So maybe that's how the "John" and the "Crapper" have been come to be known as.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Wayne Galligan 
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  Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming
  

  Water Closet (WC) is a toilet that disposes of the waste by using water to flush it through a drainpipe to another location. Modern toilets incorporate an 'S' bend; this 'trap' creates a water seal which remains filled the 'S' bend also provides siphon action which helps accelerate the flushing process. Water filling up the bowl creates a high pressure area which forces the water past the S bend. At the S bend when water starts to move it creates a vacuum that pulls the water and waste out of the toilet. When no more water is left then the air stops the siphon or vacuum process. At that point the water that is going into the bowl continues to fill up the bowl to equalize the bowl and the S bend. This ends the cycle of one flush.  Since there were no rooms designated for toilets or crappers as they were called (named after John L Crapper, inventor of the flush toilet) the term Water Closet was coined as homes that had the out houses moved indoors were usually located in
 closets in the home.
   
  Flush away............
    ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Karl G. Mueller 
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  Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:45 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming
  

  Vicente,
   
  "WC" actually is the short form of "Water Closet".
  That's what the early Toilets were called.
   
  Karl G. Mueller
kgamueller@rogers.com

    ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: vicenterc@comcast.net 
  To: adriancwong@earthlink.net ; NSRCA Mailing List 
  Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming
  

  WC = toilet. I wonder how many went and check.  
   
  --
Vicente "Vince" Bortone
   
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May be I should try the knife edge on a vertical down line, instead of doing it horizontally? 


  -----Original Message----- 
From: vicenterc@comcast.net 
Sent: Mar 17, 2008 7:00 PM 
To: adriancwong@earthlink.net, NSRCA Mailing List 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming 

  That is called Coriolis accerelation.  That is why the water closets flush to the right in the North hemisphere and to the left in the South hemisphere (looking the water closet from above).  If going down straight you are close to the ecuator.  If this do not happens as described the water closet needs to be trimmed. 
   
  --
Vicente "Vince" Bortone
   
  -------------- Original message -------------- 
From: adriancwong@earthlink.net 
I think Bryan is hiding in his wind tunnel trying to duplicate the same condition.

I don't think it was my digits. It's probably between the earth's gravitational pull and soething in the northern hemisphere. I bet the plane will do the exact opposite if I fly it in Australia ... .-)


  -----Original Message----- 
From: Derek Koopowitz 
Sent: Mar 17, 2008 3:36 PM 
To: NSRCA Mailing List 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming 

  I think he wishes it was his thumbs... :)
   
  The push to the belly was more than the pull to the canopy... the pull was very slight.


  On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 3:24 PM, krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com> wrote:
    I was going to tell Adrian his thumbs cause this.. 
  Just kidding of course Adrian..
   
  C   

Nat Penton <natpenton@centurytel.net> wrote:

    Where is Bryan when you need him 

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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming


> Bryan,
>
> What cause the plane to pull to the belly on one rudder, and to the canopy 
> on the other rudder during knife edge.
>
> Thx,
>
> Adrian
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: shinden1@cox.net
>>Sent: Mar 16, 2008 7:17 PM
>>To: NSRCA Mailing List 

  >>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming
>>
>>Lance you need to find out exactly where the wing inc . is.
>>I think if you move your c/g back a little it will help take some of the 
>>up trim out But you prob need more pos inc, in the wing so we need to know 
>>where you are at right now to determine exactly where to go
>>Bryan

     
  >>---- Lance Van Nostrand wrote:
>>> Bryan,
>>>
>>> The discussion list moves faster than I can try this stuff out. Too bad 
>>> I
>>> have to work...
>>>
>>> I first only moved my CG forward significantly and have improved overall
>>> tracking. It was windy Saturday and wind penetration were good. 
>>> Bryan's
>>> suggestion was correct on CG movement to make this improvement. However
>>> with the forward CG (and resultant uptrim) it pulls to the canopy 
>>> slightly
>>> on downlines. At this point I noticed that during inverted flight, 
>>> rudder
>>> input caused a pull to the belly (plane rose). This was weird. I then
>>> raised the incidence 2 turns and it fixed the inverted flight problem 
>>> but it
>>> seemed to make the canopy pul! l worse . Interestingly, KE flight was not
>>> noticeably affected.
>>>
>>> The other affect is that inverted 45 downlines drop toward earth faster 
>>> than
>>> upright 45s (which track nicely). Before this change, both 45s were 
>>> fine.
>>>
>>> Is this the expectation?
>>>
>>> --Lance
>>>
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<DIV>Ok Bryan, </DIV>  <DIV> </DIV>  <DIV>Here's how I went out today and man was I suprised, 0 degree down thrust, 0 stab, 3/4 positive in the wing.. Cg forward where Budd recommends. What a difference.. I had a neutral elevator for the first time since I owned the plane without adjusting things.. Uplines were good, downlines pulled to the canopy still. Horizontal lines, the plane DID feel more locked into the line.. It's never felt like that.. Mixing, well it still needed about 15% up mix in knifes, down from 30% though. Inverted nearly hands off. 45 roll to inverted slowly drops the nose. 45 downs are locked in. Snaps, well they suck for some reason. Not from this, but when I did cg, and other changes before, I changed throws cuz the snaps sucked.  It took alot more down ele, and aileron for inverted snaps..  And still, when I start the snap, it breaks, then slowly gets into the snap, then speeds up too fast causing an overrotation.
 Regular snaps are now too fast (easy to cure though with a different dual rate setting). </DIV>  <DIV>I think my cg could go forward to help with the up ele needed in knife, and also the pull to canopy on downlines maybe?? Or should I play with the wing adjusters more?</DIV>  <DIV> </DIV>  <DIV>Thanks, </DIV>  <DIV> </DIV>  <DIV>Chris</DIV>  <DIV> </DIV>  <DIV><BR><B><I>Nat Penton <natpenton@centurytel.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV>  <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">  <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16608" name=GENERATOR>  <DIV><FONT size=2>Wayne</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=2>You missed the seminar - that was the rest room <G>.</FONT></DIV>  <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>  <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT:
 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=wgalligan@att.net href="mailto:wgalligan@att.net">Wayne Galligan</A> </DIV>  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.f3a.us href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.f3a.us">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:21 AM</DIV>  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming</DIV>  <DIV><BR></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=2>John Crapper was not the original inventor of the toilet.  However Thomas Crapper was one of the people that was responsible for it popularity.  Not to sure where John L Crapper came from but  the original inventor was John Harington.  So maybe that's how the "John" and the "Crapper" have been come to be known as.</FONT></DIV>  <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">  <DIV
 style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>  <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=wgalligan@att.net href="mailto:wgalligan@att.net">Wayne Galligan</A> </DIV>  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:11 AM</DIV>  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming</DIV>  <DIV><BR></DIV>  <DIV><STRONG>Water Closet</STRONG> (WC) is a <A title=Toilet href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet">toilet</A> that disposes of the waste by using water to flush it through a drainpipe to another location. Modern toilets incorporate an 'S' bend; this 'trap' creates a water seal which remains filled the 'S' bend also provides siphon action which helps accelerate the flushing process. Water
 filling up the bowl creates a high pressure area which forces the water past the S bend. At the S bend when water starts to move it creates a vacuum that pulls the water and waste out of the toilet. When no more water is left then the air stops the siphon or vacuum process. At that point the water that is going into the bowl continues to fill up the bowl to equalize the bowl and the S bend. This ends the cycle of one flush.  Since there were no rooms designated for toilets or crappers as they were called (named after John L Crapper, inventor of the flush toilet) the term Water Closet was coined as homes that had the out houses moved indoors were usually located in closets in the home.</DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=2>Flush away............</FONT></DIV>  <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
 </DIV>  <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=kgamueller@rogers.com href="mailto:kgamueller@rogers.com">Karl G. Mueller</A> </DIV>  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:45 AM</DIV>  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming</DIV>  <DIV><BR></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3>Vicente,</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3>"WC" actually is the short form of "Water Closet".</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3>That's what the early Toilets were called.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=3>Karl G. Mueller<BR><A href="mailto:kgamueller@rogers.com">kgamueller@rogers.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>  <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px;
 PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>  <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=vicenterc@comcast.net href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</A> </DIV>  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=adriancwong@earthlink.net href="mailto:adriancwong@earthlink.net">adriancwong@earthlink.net</A> ; <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 17, 2008 10:04 PM</DIV>  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming</DIV>  <DIV><BR></DIV>  <DIV>WC = toilet. I wonder how many went and check.  </DIV>  <DIV> </DIV>  <DIV class=signature id=signature>--<BR>Vicente "Vince" Bortone</DIV>  <DIV> </DIV> 
 <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: <A href="mailto:adriancwong@earthlink.net">adriancwong@earthlink.net</A> <BR>  <STYLE>BODY {   FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff  }  </STYLE>    <STYLE>body{font-family: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color: #ffffff;color: black;}</STYLE>  "WC", huh? I haven't heard that word since I've moved back from Hong Kong in the early 90's. <BR><BR>May be I should try the knife edge on a vertical down line, instead of doing it horizontally? <BR><BR><BR>  <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(0,0,255) 2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: <A href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</A> <BR>Sent: Mar 17, 2008 7:00 PM <BR>To: adriancwong@earthlink.net, NSRCA Mailing List
 <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming <BR><BR><ZZZHTML><ZZZBODY></ZZZBODY></ZZZHTML></NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG>  <DIV>That is called Coriolis accerelation.  That is why the water closets flush to the right in the North hemisphere and to the left in the South hemisphere (looking the water closet from above).  If going down straight you are close to the ecuator.  If this do not happens as described the water closet needs to be trimmed. </DIV>  <DIV> </DIV>  <DIV class=signature id=signature>--<BR>Vicente "Vince" Bortone</DIV>  <DIV> </DIV>  <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: adriancwong@earthlink.net <BR><ZZZSCRIPT id=injection_graph_func charset="utf-8" wmfiltered="chrome://skype_ff_toolbar_win/content/injection_graph_func.js"></ZZZSCRIPT>I think Bryan
 is hiding in his wind tunnel trying to duplicate the same condition.<BR><BR>I don't think it was my digits. It's probably between the earth's gravitational pull and soething in the northern hemisphere. I bet the plane will do the exact opposite if I fly it in Australia ... .-)<BR><BR><BR>  <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(0,0,255) 2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Derek Koopowitz <DEREKKOOPOWITZ@GMAIL.COM><BR>Sent: Mar 17, 2008 3:36 PM <BR>To: NSRCA Mailing List <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming <BR><BR></NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG></DEREKKOOPOWITZ@GMAIL.COM>  <DIV>I think he wishes it was his thumbs... :)</DIV>  <DIV> </DIV>  <DIV>The push to the belly was more than the pull to the canopy... the pull was very slight.<BR><BR></DIV>  <DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 3:24 PM, krishlan fitzsimmons <<A
 href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com" target=_blank>homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com</A>> wrote:<BR>  <BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">  <DIV>I was going to tell Adrian his thumbs cause this.. <IMG></DIV>  <DIV>Just kidding of course Adrian..</DIV>  <DIV> </DIV>  <DIV>C   <DIV class=Ih2E3d><BR><BR><B><I>Nat Penton <<A href="mailto:natpenton@centurytel.net" target=_blank>natpenton@centurytel.net</A>></I></B> wrote:</DIV></DIV>  <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">  <DIV class=Ih2E3d>Where is Bryan when you need him <BR></DIV>  <DIV class=Ih2E3d>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: <BR>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <BR>Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:17 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming<BR><BR><BR>> Bryan,<BR>><BR>> What cause the plane to pull to the belly on one rudder, and to
 the canopy <BR>> on the other rudder during knife edge.<BR>><BR>> Thx,<BR>><BR>> Adrian<BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>>>From: <A href="mailto:shinden1@cox.net" target=_blank>shinden1@cox.net</A><BR>>>Sent: Mar 16, 2008 7:17 PM<BR>>>To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR></DIV>  <DIV class=Ih2E3d>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming<BR>>><BR>>>Lance you need to find out exactly where the wing inc . is.<BR>>>I think if you move your c/g back a little it will help take some of the <BR>>>up trim out But you prob need more pos inc, in the wing so we need to know <BR>>>where you are at right now to determine exactly where to go<BR>>>Bryan<BR></DIV>  <DIV>  <DIV> </DIV>  <DIV class=Wj3C7c>>>---- Lance Van Nostrand wrote:<BR>>>> Bryan,<BR>>>><BR>>>> The discussion list moves faster than I can try this stuff out. Too bad <BR>>>>
 I<BR>>>> have to work...<BR>>>><BR>>>> I first only moved my CG forward significantly and have improved overall<BR>>>> tracking. It was windy Saturday and wind penetration were good. <BR>>>> Bryan's<BR>>>> suggestion was correct on CG movement to make this improvement. However<BR>>>> with the forward CG (and resultant uptrim) it pulls to the canopy <BR>>>> slightly<BR>>>> on downlines. At this point I noticed that during inverted flight, <BR>>>> rudder<BR>>>> input caused a pull to the belly (plane rose). This was weird. I then<BR>>>> raised the incidence 2 turns and it fixed the inverted flight problem <BR>>>> but it<BR>>>> seemed to make the canopy pul! l worse . Interestingly, KE flight was not<BR>>>> noticeably affected.<BR>>>><BR>>>> The other affect is that inverted 45 downlines drop toward earth faster
 <BR>>>> than<BR>>>> upright 45s (which track nicely). Before this change, both 45s were <BR>>>> fine.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Is this the expectation?<BR>>>><BR>>>> --Lance<BR>>>><BR>>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>>>> <A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>>>> <A href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target=_blank>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A><BR>>>_______________________________________________<BR>>>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>>><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>NSRCA-disc! ussion@ l ists.nsrca.org</A><BR>>><A href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion"
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