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<DIV><FONT size=3>Vicente,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>"WC" actually is the short form of "Water 
Closet".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>That's what the early Toilets were called.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>Karl G. Mueller<BR><A 
href="mailto:kgamueller@rogers.com">kgamueller@rogers.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=vicenterc@comcast.net 
  href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=adriancwong@earthlink.net 
  href="mailto:adriancwong@earthlink.net">adriancwong@earthlink.net</A> ; <A 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 17, 2008 10:04 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 
  triangulation trimming</DIV>
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  <DIV>WC = toilet. I wonder how many went and check.&nbsp; </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV class=signature id=signature>--<BR>Vicente "Vince" Bortone</DIV>
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    "WC", huh? I haven't heard that word since I've moved back from Hong Kong in 
    the early 90's. <BR><BR>May be I should try the knife edge on a vertical 
    down line, instead of doing it horizontally? <BR><BR><BR>
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      Message----- <BR>From: <A 
      href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</A> <BR>Sent: 
      Mar 17, 2008 7:00 PM <BR>To: adriancwong@earthlink.net, NSRCA Mailing List 
      <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 
      triangulation trimming 
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      <DIV>That is called Coriolis accerelation.&nbsp; That is why the water 
      closets flush to the right in the North hemisphere and to the left in the 
      South hemisphere (looking the water closet from above).&nbsp; If going 
      down straight you are close to the&nbsp;ecuator.&nbsp; If this do not 
      happens as described the water closet&nbsp;needs&nbsp;to be 
      trimmed.&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV class=signature id=signature>--<BR>Vicente "Vince" Bortone</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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        Original message -------------- <BR>From: adriancwong@earthlink.net 
        <BR><ZZZSCRIPT id=injection_graph_func charset="utf-8" 
        wmfiltered="chrome://skype_ff_toolbar_win/content/injection_graph_func.js"></ZZZSCRIPT>I 
        think Bryan is hiding in his wind tunnel trying to duplicate the same 
        condition.<BR><BR>I don't think it was my digits. It's probably between 
        the earth's gravitational pull and soething in the northern hemisphere. 
        I bet the plane will do the exact opposite if I fly it in Australia ... 
        .-)<BR><BR><BR>
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          Message----- <BR>From: Derek Koopowitz 
          <DEREKKOOPOWITZ@GMAIL.COM><BR>Sent: Mar 17, 2008 3:36 PM <BR>To: NSRCA 
          Mailing List <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>Subject: Re: 
          [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation trimming 
          <BR><BR></NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG></DEREKKOOPOWITZ@GMAIL.COM>
          <DIV>I think he wishes it was his thumbs... :)</DIV>
          <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV>The push to the belly was more than the pull to the canopy... the 
          pull was very slight.<BR><BR></DIV>
          <DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 3:24 PM, krishlan 
          fitzsimmons &lt;<A href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com" 
          target=_blank>homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com</A>&gt; wrote:<BR>
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            <DIV>I was going to tell Adrian his thumbs cause this.. <IMG></DIV>
            <DIV>Just kidding of course Adrian..</DIV>
            <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV>C 
            <DIV class=Ih2E3d><BR><BR><B><I>Nat Penton &lt;<A 
            href="mailto:natpenton@centurytel.net" 
            target=_blank>natpenton@centurytel.net</A>&gt;</I></B> 
            wrote:</DIV></DIV>
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              <DIV class=Ih2E3d>Where is Bryan when you need him <BR></DIV>
              <DIV class=Ih2E3d>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: <BR>To: 
              "NSRCA Mailing List" <BR>Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:17 
              PM<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] triangulation 
              trimming<BR><BR><BR>&gt; Bryan,<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; What cause the 
              plane to pull to the belly on one rudder, and to the canopy 
              <BR>&gt; on the other rudder during knife edge.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; 
              Thx,<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Adrian<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; -----Original 
              Message-----<BR>&gt;&gt;From: <A href="mailto:shinden1@cox.net" 
              target=_blank>shinden1@cox.net</A><BR>&gt;&gt;Sent: Mar 16, 2008 
              7:17 PM<BR>&gt;&gt;To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR></DIV>
              <DIV class=Ih2E3d>&gt;&gt;Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 
              triangulation trimming<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;Lance you need to 
              find out exactly where the wing inc . is.<BR>&gt;&gt;I think if 
              you move your c/g back a little it will help take some of the 
              <BR>&gt;&gt;up trim out But you prob need more pos inc, in the 
              wing so we need to know <BR>&gt;&gt;where you are at right now to 
              determine exactly where to go<BR>&gt;&gt;Bryan<BR></DIV>
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              <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
              <DIV class=Wj3C7c>&gt;&gt;---- Lance Van Nostrand 
              wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; Bryan,<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; The 
              discussion list moves faster than I can try this stuff out. Too 
              bad <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; I<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; have to 
              work...<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; I first only moved my CG 
              forward significantly and have improved overall<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; 
              tracking. It was windy Saturday and wind penetration were good. 
              <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; Bryan's<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; suggestion was correct on 
              CG movement to make this improvement. However<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; with 
              the forward CG (and resultant uptrim) it pulls to the canopy 
              <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; slightly<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; on downlines. At this 
              point I noticed that during inverted flight, <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; 
              rudder<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; input caused a pull to the belly (plane 
              rose). This was weird. I then<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; raised the incidence 
              2 turns and it fixed the inverted flight problem <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; 
              but it<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; seemed to make the canopy pul! l worse . 
              Interestingly, KE flight was not<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; noticeably 
              affected.<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; The other affect is that 
              inverted 45 downlines drop toward earth faster <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; 
              than<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; upright 45s (which track nicely). Before this 
              change, both 45s were <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; 
              fine.<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; Is this the 
              expectation?<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; 
              --Lance<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; 
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            <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face="comic sans ms" color=#0000bf 
            size=3>Chris </FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
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