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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>George, I believe the down aileron produces the
most drag ( re adverse yaw ), but, over half of our rolls occur in
verticals.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The general consensus has been
that the faster moving molecules over the top surface don't require as big as
a deflection as the aileron that deflects towards the bottom of the
plane. What one tries to achieve is the plane tracks as purely straight
on a string as possible while one rolls both directions without
introducing any yaw. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> Del
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS
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face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>> Nat and all you other
aerodynamicists,<BR>> <BR>> I thought that the rational for "aileron
differential" was that upward deflection causes more drag than downward
deflection so to equalize drag and prevent yaw with aileron deflection,
aileron differential is needed. It seems that you guys are now saying
that ain't so. Please elaborate.<BR>> <BR>> George<BR>>
<BR>> ---- Nat Penton <</FONT><A
href="mailto:natpenton@centurytel.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>natpenton@centurytel.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>> wrote: <BR>> <BR>> =============<BR>> IMO center hinged
or top hinged is OK. With top hinge, to achieve equal vertical travel of the
trailing edge requires different angular travel, up vs down. The objective is
zero aerodynamic differential.<BR>> <BR>> Ron I don't think a fairing
would prevent separation but, how are you able to fair the gap using the top
hinge ?
Nat<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: </FONT><A
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<BR>> To: NSRCA Mailing List <BR>> Sent: Thursday, March 06,
2008 7:20 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS Questions+more -
Rolls<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> And while your at it, I'd appreciate
some discussion of the impact of the top hinge system as seen on Viavat, and
Prestige birds - (top hinged, with fairing that
eliminates the gap at deflection)<BR>> <BR>> Thanks, Ron
Lockhart<BR>> <BR>> -------------- Original message
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<BR>> <BR>> Nat,<BR>> <BR>>
Could you explain why the differential should be different for non-center
hinged? I understand that the mechanical configuration of non-center
hinged requires differential to obtain same travel in both directions.
However, the travel up and down should be close to equal. <BR>>
<BR>> Thanks,<BR>> <BR>>
--<BR>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone<BR>>
<BR>> -------------- Original message
-------------- <BR>> From: "Nat Penton"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:natpenton@centurytel.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>natpenton@centurytel.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>> <BR>> <BR>>
Tom<BR>> It's just something that is peculiar
to the Southern Hemisphere.<BR>> <BR>>
Changing wing incidence will not help. Unless things are really screwed up
<G>, at our roll rates, centrifugal forces are too low to cause a
problem. You want zero differential, aero speaking ( same up/down if center
hinged ).<BR>> <BR>> I find the best check
is the fast half-roll in the vertical
up. Regards
Nat<BR>> ----- Original Message
----- <BR>> From: Koenig, Tom
<BR>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
<BR>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05,
2008 7:24 PM<BR>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] YS Questions+more<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> Hi Troy!<BR>>
<BR>> Thanks for the info. I
thought you would be toiling away on the next developmental stage of these
engines!!<BR>> <BR>> Hopefully
soon, I can find the time to get flying again. I am looking forward to running
this little beast. I am still a little concerned in keeping it quiet
though.<BR>> <BR>> Four blade
props? I have some of the 18.1 x 12 two bladers but I just cant see how I'll
shut the thing up with these paint stirrers??<BR>>
<BR>> Also-one more question to
any of you out there in pattern land.<BR>>
<BR>> I have struggled with
aileron differential for years. I am just not happy with the rolls. I have
tried various design fixes-but about the only one that seems to work is to get
the wing back to 0-0 ( which can be achieved by a few ways, design, mix or
thumbs) Differential itself does not seem to work if the wing is POA (
well...it works for half the roll
!)<BR>> Another black magic fix
appears to be to run parallel ailerons-but this only 'sorta' seems to fix it.
I like the feel of equal% chord ailerons however.<BR>>
<BR>> I am frustrated with it-I
like my planes to roll as if they had a string up its ...........well you
know!<BR>> <BR>> OK-any
'secrets' I need to know??? Very good elevator work fixes it ( hence my 0-0
comment)<BR>> <BR>>
Tom<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
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