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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>But that comparison has shrunk the
numbers and continues to decline.. Maybe tweaking needs to be
undone.. Put the old oil back in.!!! ~~ It apparently worked better
if more participation and attendance is the factor desired. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> Del
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<A title=patterndude@tx.rr.com href="mailto:patterndude@tx.rr.com">Lance Van
Nostrand</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 08, 2008 7:32
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Exper
Class??</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jerry,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It's easy to look past systems that work but
think of it this way: Why change the oil in your car? It's driving great
so why mess with it. No problems exist.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Lance</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=jerry@buddengineering.com
href="mailto:jerry@buddengineering.com">Budd Engineering</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:59
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Exper
Class??</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Lance, Derek, Dave, et al -
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<DIV>What's the merit in having a rule to solve a problem that doesn't
exist?</DIV>
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<DIV>Thx, Jerry</DIV>
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<DIV>On Feb 7, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Lance Van Nostrand wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Derek,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The current system has been improved and
probably needs further tweaking. We have a 4 year rolling horizon so
guys collecting 100 pts in this time are either in very large districts or
are doing pretty well. We have a current rule change in process to
address those that collect points too fast. There was a lot of
effort to weigh the issues to come up with that rule. Scrapping the rules
altogether would invite a lot more uncertainty. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I think the guys complaining about not
being able to move down are just misinformed. Section 8.1.2 of our
rules allows anyone to fill out a form and move down. There may be
plenty of reasons why a guy might not want to do this, but rules barriers
is not one of them.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Lance</FONT></DIV>
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title=derekkoopowitz@gmail.com
href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com">Derek Koopowitz</A></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
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Class??</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Since there are 12 AMA districts it really does take a
majority to get a proposal through the contest board. I also think
that we really need to run this by the membership to ensure that they
are behind a proposal like this - just because you and I and a few
others think that we should do away with this rule doesn't mean that the
majority of the membership feel the same way.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Feb 4, 2008 11:07 AM, Dave Burton <<A
href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</A>> wrote:<BR>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Scrapping the
mandatory advancement rule is an excellent approach. Where you when I
submitted rules proposals in two different cycles to do just this? I
could have used the support as it was soundly shouted down. I won't do
that again. But it needs to be done. I'm one of those 67 year old
flyers trapped in Masters/FAI who can't move down where my
present skill levels would be more appropriate. Don't know if I would
choose to back a class, but anyone should have the option of flying
the class most appropriate for them IMO. I think peer pressure would
keep the trophy hounds from staying. One reason Masters is so crowded
is ex FAI flyers who can't hack it with the top FAI guys anymore and
move back to Masters where they can compete.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Dave
Burton</SPAN></P>
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<P><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><SPAN
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class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B>On Behalf Of<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></B>Derek
Koopowitz<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
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1:47 PM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN
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<P>There is a discussion going on the District 7 list at the moment
about not forcing people to move up a class (using points). Case
in point is a pilot that was forced out of Intermediate into Advanced
and has crashed 2 Angels Shadows due to "pilot error" (he admits
it). He is 67 years old and his skill levels just don't warrant
him being in Advanced.</P></DIV>
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<P>Eric Henderson's last article in Model Aviation about the points
system in the NSRCA just proves this issue - I'm in full agreement
with Eric on this and would like to see the points system
scrapped. We definitely need to cater to the pattern pilot that
is very uncomfortable flying a new class (they've pointed out of their
current class) and would like to stay put until they feel more
comfortable. This can also happen if a new sequence is developed
for their class and the pilot is uncomfortable flying it as well
in a contest. Shouldn't we allow them to move back a class until
they feel comfortable with the new sequence (as Chris and Mike
suggested)?</P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">I would hate to lose a pilot to pattern
(and a long time supporter of pattern) because the system forced
them to do something that they just aren't comfortable with
doing.</P></DIV>
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