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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jerry,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It's easy to look past systems that work but think
of it this way: Why change the oil in your car? It's driving great so why
mess with it. No problems exist.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Lance</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:59
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Exper
Class??</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Lance, Derek, Dave, et al -
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<DIV>What's the merit in having a rule to solve a problem that doesn't
exist?</DIV>
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<DIV>Thx, Jerry</DIV>
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<DIV>On Feb 7, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Lance Van Nostrand wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Derek,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The current system has been improved and
probably needs further tweaking. We have a 4 year rolling horizon so
guys collecting 100 pts in this time are either in very large districts or
are doing pretty well. We have a current rule change in process to
address those that collect points too fast. There was a lot of effort
to weigh the issues to come up with that rule. Scrapping the rules
altogether would invite a lot more uncertainty. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I think the guys complaining about not
being able to move down are just misinformed. Section 8.1.2 of our
rules allows anyone to fill out a form and move down. There may be
plenty of reasons why a guy might not want to do this, but rules barriers is
not one of them.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Lance</FONT></DIV>
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href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com">Derek Koopowitz</A></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Monday, February 04, 2008 2:40
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
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Class??</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Since there are 12 AMA districts it really does take a
majority to get a proposal through the contest board. I also think
that we really need to run this by the membership to ensure that they are
behind a proposal like this - just because you and I and a few others
think that we should do away with this rule doesn't mean that the majority
of the membership feel the same way.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Feb 4, 2008 11:07 AM, Dave Burton <<A
href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</A>> wrote:<BR>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Scrapping the
mandatory advancement rule is an excellent approach. Where you when I
submitted rules proposals in two different cycles to do just this? I
could have used the support as it was soundly shouted down. I won't do
that again. But it needs to be done. I'm one of those 67 year old flyers
trapped in Masters/FAI who can't move down where my present skill
levels would be more appropriate. Don't know if I would choose to back a
class, but anyone should have the option of flying the class most
appropriate for them IMO. I think peer pressure would keep the trophy
hounds from staying. One reason Masters is so crowded is ex FAI flyers
who can't hack it with the top FAI guys anymore and move back to Masters
where they can compete.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Dave
Burton</SPAN></P>
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<P><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><SPAN
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B>On Behalf Of<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></B>Derek
Koopowitz<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Monday, February 04, 2008 1:47
PM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>NSRCA
Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
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Class??</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P>There is a discussion going on the District 7 list at the moment
about not forcing people to move up a class (using points). Case
in point is a pilot that was forced out of Intermediate into Advanced
and has crashed 2 Angels Shadows due to "pilot error" (he admits
it). He is 67 years old and his skill levels just don't warrant
him being in Advanced.</P></DIV>
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<P>Eric Henderson's last article in Model Aviation about the points
system in the NSRCA just proves this issue - I'm in full agreement with
Eric on this and would like to see the points system scrapped. We
definitely need to cater to the pattern pilot that is very uncomfortable
flying a new class (they've pointed out of their current class) and
would like to stay put until they feel more comfortable. This can
also happen if a new sequence is developed for their class and the
pilot is uncomfortable flying it as well in a contest. Shouldn't
we allow them to move back a class until they feel comfortable with the
new sequence (as Chris and Mike suggested)?</P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">I would hate to lose a pilot to pattern
(and a long time supporter of pattern) because the system forced
them to do something that they just aren't comfortable with
doing.</P></DIV>
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