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style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Budd Engineering<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February 07, 2008
9:59 PM<br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Exper Class??</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>What's the merit in having a rule to solve a problem
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Feb 7, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Lance Van Nostrand wrote:</span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The
current system has been improved and probably needs further tweaking. We
have a 4 year rolling horizon so guys collecting 100 pts in this time are
either in very large districts or are doing pretty well. We have a
current rule change in process to address those that collect points too
fast. There was a lot of effort to weigh the issues to come up with that
rule. Scrapping the rules altogether would invite a lot more uncertainty. </span></font></p>
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I think the guys complaining about not being able to move down are just
misinformed. Section 8.1.2 of our rules allows anyone to fill out a form
and move down. There may be plenty of reasons why a guy might not want to
do this, but rules barriers is not one of them.</span></font></p>
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color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
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color:black'><a href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com"
title="derekkoopowitz@gmail.com">Derek Koopowitz</a></span></font></p>
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color:black'> </span></font></span><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><a
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font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><span class=apple-converted-space><font
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color:black'> </span></font></span><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Monday, February 04,
2008 2:40 PM</span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><span class=apple-converted-space><font
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color:black'> </span></font></span><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Exper Class??</span></font></p>
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.5in'><font size=3 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Since there are 12 AMA districts it really
does take a majority to get a proposal through the contest board. I also
think that we really need to run this by the membership to ensure that they are
behind a proposal like this - just because you and I and a few others think
that we should do away with this rule doesn't mean that the majority of the
membership feel the same way.</span></font></p>
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>On
Feb 4, 2008 11:07 AM, Dave Burton <<a href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</a>>
wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D'>Scrapping the
mandatory advancement rule is an excellent approach. Where you when I submitted
rules proposals in two different cycles to do just this? I could have used the
support as it was soundly shouted down. I won't do that again. But it needs to
be done. I'm one of those 67 year old flyers trapped in Masters/FAI who
can't move down where my present skill levels would be more appropriate. Don't
know if I would choose to back a class, but anyone should have the option of
flying the class most appropriate for them IMO. I think peer pressure would
keep the trophy hounds from staying. One reason Masters is so crowded is ex FAI
flyers who can't hack it with the top FAI guys anymore and move back to Masters
where they can compete.</span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
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Helvetica;color:black'><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b>Derek
Koopowitz<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Monday, February 04, 2008 1:47 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b><span
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>There is a
discussion going on the District 7 list at the moment about not forcing people
to move up a class (using points). Case in point is a pilot that was
forced out of Intermediate into Advanced and has crashed 2 Angels Shadows due
to "pilot error" (he admits it). He is 67 years old and his
skill levels just don't warrant him being in Advanced.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Eric Henderson's
last article in Model Aviation about the points system in the NSRCA just proves
this issue - I'm in full agreement with Eric on this and would like to see the
points system scrapped. We definitely need to cater to the pattern pilot
that is very uncomfortable flying a new class (they've pointed out of their
current class) and would like to stay put until they feel more
comfortable. This can also happen if a new sequence is developed for
their class and the pilot is uncomfortable flying it as well in a contest.
Shouldn't we allow them to move back a class until they feel comfortable with
the new sequence (as Chris and Mike suggested)?</span></font></p>
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of pattern) because the system forced them to do something that they just
aren't comfortable with doing.</span></font></p>
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