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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle22><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thank you
very much Joe. I was wondering where I could find this information. You guys
have done a fantastic job developing the sequence criteria and I am looking
forward to learning the 2009 masters sequence. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle22><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The
reoccurring proposal to split masters voluntarily or otherwise seams to be
driven by a judging problem associated with a large number of masters
competitors. I believe I am ready for forced advancement to masters but others
pointing-out of advanced may not be ready. I can happen quite quickly where a
single pilot is dominant (not necessarily good). This can happen during a
single two-year rules cycle and single advanced sequence seriously restricting
the variety of experience acquired prior to forced advancement resulting in a
difficult transition or dropping out.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle22><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Sorry
about getting off subject but the mandatory advancement may somewhat
responsible for the large number of masters class pilots that either need to
grow into the ever increasing difficulty or drop out. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle22><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jim Hiller<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle22><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Joe Lachowski<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, February 04, 2008
8:03 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
changed topic to killing Masters?</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>I was
involved in the last sequence design cycle. One of the things that we did was
first to establish the design criteria to work around. I'm sure Troy, if he is
still out there, will chime in. Turns out there were basically 3 types of
maneuvers we felt were strictly FAI and not to be used in Masters. These
included rolling circles, integrated rolls in maneuver geometry and certain
snap and roll combinations. We also felt that the maneuvers had to be performed
by current generation and the previous generation or so of aircraft. Previous
generation aircraft being those that did not have the side area of current
designs and things like T-Canalizers which aid in doing certain maneuvers
etc. I may have missed one or two other things, but that was basically it.<br>
<br>
I hope Koop dosen't mind. I'm going to let the cat out of the hat here. A group
of us have been working on developing over the last year a very
comprehensive guide for sequence design in the future. This guide is based upon
an initial strawman that Jerry Stebbins devised. The guide provides all the
structure for designing sequences, design boundaries, considerations ,
manuever listings for each class etc. for all the classes with the
understanding that these criteria must be reviewed prior to designing new
sequences to make sure that they address the needs of the pattern community at
that time and can only be revised upon approval of the NSRCA board and judging
committee and if necessary, the membership. THis document is around 60
pages already. Except for a few areas, it is basically complete and a current
copy is in Dereks hands. It should be completely finished before the next
Sequence Committee is established.<br>
<br>
Below is the current design criteria for Masters from this guide. It is based
on the last rules cycle criteria and has been massaged and some additional
detail added. I do not want to discuss these at this time on the list. Don't
have time to argue point for point right now. This just gives you a flavor.
These are subject to change of course:<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoTitle style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><strong><b><u><font size=4
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>ANNEX
A4 - Masters Class Design Criteria (AMA Event #404)<o:p></o:p></span></font></u></b></strong></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;tab-stops:6.25in'><b><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Definition<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;tab-stops:6.25in'><b><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;
font-weight:bold'> </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:
black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;tab-stops:6.25in'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Masters
is the destination class in the progression of AMA Precision Aerobatic Classes.
Masters is designated as Event # 404 in the AMA Radio Control Aerobatics
Regulations. Masters is where the skills built on in Sportsman through Advanced
(401, 402, and 403) are now applied.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;tab-stops:6.25in'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;tab-stops:6.25in'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The
primary purpose of this class is to develop and demonstrate a pilot’s
proficiency and skills to:<b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><span
style='font-weight:bold'><o:p></o:p></span></b></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;
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color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Fly straight vertical lines with centered maneuvers<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;
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color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Fly with required geometry and accuracy of the maneuvers<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;
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color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Fly accurate angles in all maneuvers<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Properly position maneuvers (Centering, and Turnaround locations)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Perform standard Takeoff and Landing maneuvers<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;
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color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Perform combinations of difficult/complex precision maneuvers in the box<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;
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color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Fly proper entry/exit lines for all maneuvers<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;
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color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Fly constant entry/exit radii for all maneuvers<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;
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color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Properly position all elements within a maneuver (centering in lines)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;
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color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Maintain constant Aircraft track parallel to the runway in all
conditions<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;
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color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Perform the sequence gracefully with consistent flow and precision<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;tab-stops:6.25in'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><span
style='mso-tab-count:2'> </span><b
style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><span style='font-weight:bold'><o:p></o:p></span></b></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;tab-stops:6.25in'><b
style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;font-weight:
bold'>Airframe Considerations<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;tab-stops:6.25in'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;tab-stops:6.25in'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Airframes
utilized will typically be current state-of-the-art F3A level models and older
top of the line designs. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;tab-stops:6.25in'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;tab-stops:6.25in'><b><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Design Considerations</span></font></b><font color=black><span
style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;tab-stops:6.25in'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;
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color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Should be a stepping-stone to F3A but not on an equal footing in terms
of model requirements.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;
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color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Skill based maneuvers that a well-practiced and skilled pilot can use to
perfect the figures, not maneuvers that are airplane based like many of the
current F3A schedules.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Should be well balanced as to cover the vast majority of skill sets.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Includes rolling both directions and hesitation rolls. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Includes Snaps and Spins, but not the snap-roll combos seen in F3A.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Centering skills and Box management for turnarounds. This includes
correction maneuvers after snaps and spins (Humpty bumps or top hat
turnarounds) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Complex Figures, that are possible to complete but difficult to score
high marks. These being figures that have lots of elements to make mistakes are
good show of pilot preparation and skill.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Almost equal weighting for upright or inverted entry or exits. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Focus is on perfection of shapes and flying skills that will favor the
practiced pilot.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>The skills that are built in Sportsman through Advanced are now applied in
Masters with maybe some different looks.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Level of difficulty up near the F3A Preliminary sequence. Sequence
should not include any of the F3A Finals maneuvers such as rolling loops,
circles or the detail and demanding snap maneuvers that are in the F3A Finals
patterns. Middle ground is equal to F3A Preliminary but less airframe demanding
to fewer skills required than the F3A Preliminary sequence. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Emphasis is on pilot skill and practice. Not the latest model or power
requirements. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Difficulty in judging shall be taken into account when selecting
sequence maneuvers<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Goal is for a total Sequence K-factor up in the mid 60’s to 70<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Goal is 21 to 23 figures total including Takeoff and Landing Sequence.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in;tab-stops:6.25in'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in;tab-stops:6.25in'><b
style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;font-weight:
bold'>Sequence Structure and Boundaries<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in;tab-stops:6.25in'><b
style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;font-weight:
bold'> </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in;tab-stops:6.25in'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The
following criteria define the structure and boundaries to be adhered to in
designing a balanced Masters Sequence covering the vast majority of skill sets:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in;tab-stops:6.25in'><b
style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;font-weight:
bold'> </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Maneuvers shall be selected from the Annex B4A and B4B Maneuver Catalogs
of the “NSRCA Procedures for AMA Precision Aerobatic Sequence Development”. New
maneuvers may be added to the Annex B Catalogs provided they meet all criteria
set forth in the “NSRCA Procedures for AMA Precision Aerobatic Sequence
Development”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Total</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName>K-Factor</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType>Range</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>:
65 to 70.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Total maneuvers (including Takeoff and Landing): 21 Minimum, 23 Maximum<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>The sequence shall have only one box entry and exit <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'>·<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>No more than one(1) of the same family of maneuvers used in the sequence
as a center maneuver. Exceptions to this requirement are stated below. </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'>·<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>No more than two(2) of the same family of maneuvers used in the sequence
as turnarounds (i.e. no more than two stall turn variants or half square loop
variants). Humpty bumps shall be the exception with a maximum of three(3) when
one is being used as a cross box maneuver.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Minimum of two(2) cross box maneuvers, but no more than<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>three(3).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'>·<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Minimum of one(1) maneuver that incorporates a 4/8 pt roll. An 8 point
roll may be substituted or included in the same sequence.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'>·<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Minimum of two(2), but no more than three(3) downwind rolling maneuvers.
These shall include a minimum of one(1) but no more than two(2) maneuvers that
incorporate reverse rolling.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'>·<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Minimum of two(2), but not more than four(4) maneuvers with a K-factor
of 5.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'>·<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Minimum of two(2), but not more than four(4) stall turns. Maximum of
two(2) turnaround stall turns. Maximum of two(2)<span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>turnaround stall turns in conjunction with one double stall turn
type center maneuver (Double stall turns or Figure M’s).</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'>·<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Minimum of 25% inverted exits/entries to inverted flight.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'>·<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Minimum of two(2)<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Snap Rolls,
but no more than three(3) (all center maneuvers).</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list 1.0in left 6.25in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2
color=black face=Symbol><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Tahoma;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'>·<font
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font color=black><span style='color:
black'>Minimum of one(1) Spin (center maneuver), but no more than two(2)<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>(one center and one turnaround maneuver).</span></font><font
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma;color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:
auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in;text-align:center'><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'>
<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center>
</span></font></div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>From:
drykert2@rochester.rr.com<br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.f3a.us<br>
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 08:24:47 -0500<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] changed topic to killing Masters?</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Only that some assumed
that master class was purely taking FAI sequences to make up the masters class
maneuvers.</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> Del</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>----- Original Message -----
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>From: "Dave
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>> Dang, I missed
something. I thought we were only talking about what maneuver<br>
> schedule Masters Class would fly!<br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: JShulman [mailto:jshulman@cfl.rr.com] <br>
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 1:40 PM<br>
> To: NSRCA Mailing List<br>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] changed topic to killing Masters?<br>
> <br>
> So if FAI pilots, that are flying FAI now, want to fly FAI (P and F), and<br>
> Masters pilots, that are flying Masters now, want to fly Masters, what are<br>
> we really "discussing"? Are we looking for a middle class to
call Masters +<br>
> for the guys that want to fly P and not F or Masters? Sounds like the<br>
> addition of an Expert class in AMA to give the fliers in Masters, that
want<br>
> a P type of sequence, a place to go?<br>
> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> Jason<br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
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</span></font><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]On
Behalf Of Joe Lachowski<br>
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 1:22 PM<br>
> To: NSRCA Mailing List<br>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] changed topic to killing Masters?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Del, something I totally agree with you on<g>. If that is the
gist of the<br>
> question you ask of which the answer in my mind is no.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
>
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> From: </span></font><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><a
href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com"><font face=Arial><span
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</span></font><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'>> To: </span></font><font
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</span></font><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'>> Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008
11:59:12 -0500<br>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] changed topic to killing
Masters?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Is catering to the professional pilots what will draw
more people into<br>
> the NSRCA and flying pattern?<br>
> <br>
> Del<br>
> ----- Original Message -----<br>
> From: </span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'><a href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net"><font face=Arial><span
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</span></font><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'>> To: </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'><a href="mailto:johnfuqua@embarqmail.com"><font face=Arial><span
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size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'> ; NSRCA Mailing List ; 'NSRCA Mailing<br>
> List'<br>
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 11:18 AM<br>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] changed
topic to killing Masters?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I think the idea is that the destination
class (if we changed to<br>
> FAI-F3A) will fly the F-Schedule also. I see very strong advantages
from<br>
> judging point of view. Both classes Masters and FAI-F3A will know
the P<br>
> schedule really well since both are flying the same maneuvers. I
expect<br>
> that the judging level is going to be improved. Yes, the Masters
pilots<br>
> will need to learn the F-Schedule. Finally, I think more
professional<br>
> pilots will be willing to participate in local contests because we will
have<br>
> more competition at the FAI-F3A level. I think if we do this could
be fun<br>
> that is the general agreement.<br>
> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> <br>
> --<br>
> Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br>
> <br>
> -------------- Original message
--------------<br>
> From: "John Fuqua"
<</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
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color:blue'>><br>
> <br>
> I have been following this
discussion with some relutance to jump<br>
> in. As a current Masters pilot and old time F3A flyer I to once
pushed to<br>
> have the Master schedule be the P schedule. But you guys need to
look at<br>
> what FAI has done to the P schedule. Here is link to the F3A rules.<br>
> </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><a
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face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>http://www.fai.org/aeromodelling/documents/sc4</span></font></a><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'>>
FAI has reduced the total maneuvers to 19 including a non scored<br>
> takeoff and landing. AMA Master is 23 including a scored
takeoff and<br>
> landing.<br>
> <br>
> Going to FAI would certainly
speed things up (which is what FAI<br>
> intended for large contests like WC to speed up the prelims and get to the<br>
> real contest).<br>
> <br>
> Not sure this is what AMA/NSRCA
membership wants for a destination<br>
> class.<br>
> <br>
> John<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> From: </span></font><font
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Del Rykert<br>
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008
7:14 AM<br>
> To: NSRCA Mailing List<br>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
changed topic to killing Masters?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Hi Dave..<br>
> <br>
> I never saw anyone suggesting to
do away with the Masters class.. I<br>
> have thought of another restriction/factor. Some of the FAI maneuvers<br>
> require a specific designed plane to do them well. If you don't have such
an<br>
> aircraft in your stable you can be looking at a prohibitive change to
switch<br>
> to those type of planes or live with the self imposed handicap. Granted,<br>
> some of the best can make a good showing in FAI type maneuvers but when<br>
> needing the 1 point advantage in a high K-Factor maneuver it does drive
the<br>
> contestants to seek the best sled that works for them.<br>
> <br>
> A good friend pointed out
something I had lost sight of once. He<br>
> acquired a newer designed airplane to his stable that performed the<br>
> maneuvers he was flying so much easier. The design choice alone was
raising<br>
> his scores by almost 1 point per maneuver. With only a little bit of<br>
> practice with new plane. He never appreciated the handicap he self imposed<br>
> until having better equipment. Heck.. I still have coreless servos and not
a<br>
> digital do I own.. How far behind am I? LOL.<br>
> <br>
> Del<br>
> ----- Original
Message -----<br>
> From: Dave Burton<br>
> To: 'NSRCA Mailing
List'<br>
> Sent: Saturday,
February 02, 2008 7:33 PM<br>
> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] F at locals?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Del, I've never
advocated doing away with the Master's class. I<br>
> only suggested adopting the most current FAI P maneuver schedule and fly<br>
> Master's as a separate class as we do today. Masters pilots would not be<br>
> required to advance to the FAI class unless they chose to do so. Seems to
me<br>
> like it solves several problems. It allows a CD to have more flexibility
in<br>
> arranging flight lines, a larger pool of knowledgeable judges, eliminates<br>
> the need for NSRCA (or others) to come up with a new schedule periodically<br>
> for the Masters Class. I don't think there is any difference in the<br>
> difficulty level of the P schedule and the Masters schedule today and
would<br>
> not require any greater skill level than Masters does today IMO.<br>
> <br>
> Dave Burton<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> From: Del Rykert
[mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com]<br>
> Sent: Friday, February
01, 2008 7:09 PM<br>
> To: NSRCA Mailing
List<br>
> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] F at locals?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Hi Dave<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I'm not trying to
imply that I have the correct answer to that<br>
> question. Not all people that advance through the AMA classes have the<br>
> desire or deep pockets to handle being competitive at the FAI level. Some<br>
> Master fliers in the past have told me the time commitment is high to be<br>
> competitive in FAI class. Higher than they can accept. That may be the<br>
> biggest reason. Not certain. But they do enjoy the difficulty and
challenge<br>
> of flying masters and if told they had to move to FAI or if pointed out
and<br>
> made to move up to FAI some would choose to leave. I see it as part of the<br>
> dues some are willing to commit to play. Some drop out after making it to<br>
> intermediate. Others after reaching advanced. Some have stayed and still
fly<br>
> those classes but real! ize the y don't have the time, desire, money, to<br>
> move up and be challenging or at least make a decent showing they can
accept<br>
> for themselves. I believe the competitive factor varies with us all and
what<br>
> we are willing to commit to fly pattern.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I'm even suspect
their are other issues that escape us and why<br>
> they are happy to fly Masters.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>
Del<br>
> <br>
> -----
Original Message -----<br>
> <br>
> From:
Dave Burton<br>
> <br>
> To:
'NSRCA Mailing List'<br>
> <br>
> Sent:
Friday, February 01, 2008 6:10 PM<br>
> <br>
> Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F at locals?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Del,
what's the difference between " FAI type" schedules and<br>
> "Masters schedules"? You are correct about previous proposals
not being<br>
> accepted. I have submitted a rules change twice for Masters to fly the P<br>
> schedule and it was defeated both times. Won't do that again, but I never<br>
> understood the opposition to it.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> From: </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><font
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</span></font><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of Del Rykert<br>
> Sent:
Friday, February 01, 2008 3:24 PM<br>
> To:
NSRCA Mailing List<br>
> Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F at locals?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> So it
would be acceptable to you to drive some away from pattern<br>
> as it has been clearly stated that some Master fliers by choice do not
want<br>
> to fly FAI type schedules. It has been voted on with surveys and
discussed<br>
> on this list in the past to not use that approach.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>
Del<br>
> <br>
>
----- Original Message -----<br>
> <br>
>
From: </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><a
href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net"><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
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</span></font><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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>
To: NSRCA Mailing List<br>
> <br>
>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:48 AM<br>
> <br>
>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F at locals?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>
I believe that FAI rules states that it is required more than<br>
> 2 days event to fly F schedule. I am sure that someone out there is
going<br>
> to be able to find if I am correct or not. Of course, we can use the
AMA<br>
> rules and the CD can override this if he announces the change with time.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>
I agree that in Masters we should fly the current P schedule.<br>
> This will make a natural transition when moving Masters to F3A. The
rules<br>
> should be changed to make the F3A class the final destination of AMA<br>
> classes. In other worlds, Masters should not be the final
destination as<br>
> it is now.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>
--<br>
>
Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>
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>
From: "Tony" <</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
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> <br>
>
Those are the very reasons that I stopped flying FAI. The<br>
> FAI rules state that the F patterns are for Regional, National and<br>
> International events, and are not designed to be flown at a local contest=<br>
> <br>
> <br>
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