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<FONT FACE="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'>Not to push...but are there any actual examples of this? Your first scenario shouldn’t exist, because a point system IS in place...so that’s clearly just speculative. But in the scenario of Masters...where we do have that situation, (guys the hang there rather than move to FAI) I really don’t know many that would quit...IF...they could move back to Advanced. It’s not usually the guy in 2nd or 3rd place that is frustrated by the guy perpetually in first. In fact, I’d argue, that guy in 1st place is what motivates them to practice and fly...in hopes of beating them! (I’ll pick on David Snow for a sec, but I can guarantee you that Bill Ahrens burns every gallon of fuel with a little target picture of Dave on his transmitter!) No, the frustrated guy (IMHO) is the one toward the bottom of the pack...that’s just flying out of his league. THAT would be frustrating to many. And for them, the option of moving back to a more appropriate class should be an option. Regardless of the reason. For some, it’s simply a change in life responsibilities...new job, new child, new family, new priority. Whatever, they can’t step up to the level that they have now achieved. <BR>
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I really do think people can make that decision for themselves. <BR>
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If Jason (sorry Jason, you’re just fun to pick on) goes back and flies advanced and cleans up...well guess what, he’s the best guy flying advanced. A little unchallenging for him and it would get old...but to be honest...it feels that way when he or Andrew show up at our local contests anyway. The rest of us fight to see who can score the most 900’s against them. 2nd place becomes a big victory (as does a 950!)<BR>
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On 2/4/08 2:15 PM, "John Konneker" <jlkonn@hotmail.com> wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'>Derek,<BR>
I think there is a fine line there. Losing pilots that have to move up due to the points system but don't want to or losing pilots that are getting tired of being beat by the same guy all the time made worse by the fact the guy doing the beating doesn't have to move up anymore after they point out. The answer may be to keep the points system for the "fast movers" but reset or deduct points for pilots that have been in a class for some period of time, 3 years for example, but have not pointed out. In other words they are accumulating points but not by placing high in large classes. On the other hand I think you can stay too long in a class without pointing out. If it was left to folks that could be trusted to do what was right all the time there would be no issue. Unfortunately that's not always perceived to be the case.<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'><HR ALIGN=CENTER SIZE="3" WIDTH="100%">Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:47:11 -0800<BR>
From: derekkoopowitz@gmail.com<BR>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Exper Class??<BR>
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There is a discussion going on the District 7 list at the moment about not forcing people to move up a class (using points). Case in point is a pilot that was forced out of Intermediate into Advanced and has crashed 2 Angels Shadows due to "pilot error" (he admits it). He is 67 years old and his skill levels just don't warrant him being in Advanced.<BR>
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Eric Henderson's last article in Model Aviation about the points system in the NSRCA just proves this issue - I'm in full agreement with Eric on this and would like to see the points system scrapped. We definitely need to cater to the pattern pilot that is very uncomfortable flying a new class (they've pointed out of their current class) and would like to stay put until they feel more comfortable. This can also happen if a new sequence is developed for their class and the pilot is uncomfortable flying it as well in a contest. Shouldn't we allow them to move back a class until they feel comfortable with the new sequence (as Chris and Mike suggested)?<BR>
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I would hate to lose a pilot to pattern (and a long time supporter of pattern) because the system forced them to do something that they just aren't comfortable with doing.<BR>
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On Feb 4, 2008 10:33 AM, chris moon <cjm767driver@hotmail.com> wrote:<BR>
</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'>I think Mike hit the nail. The real problem is that there are too many <BR>
guys that advance then hit a wall or drop out briefly without an easy <BR>
way to move back. Adding another class is just bad. WIth the average <BR>
attendance at a contest probably around 20, probably less, if we add <BR>
another class to make 6, then that means essentially 3 people per <BR>
class. Not really a competitive atmosphere. My vote would be to allow <BR>
a system for guys to move BACK more easily, only for those who have <BR>
moved up voluntarily and did not point out in their last class or have <BR>
failed to excel in their new class. The peter principle applies to <BR>
flying also.<BR>
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But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong<BR>
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Chris <BR>
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mike mueller wrote:<BR>
> I've flown both classes in the last 3 years. I don't think that this <BR>
> discussion is going to get the rules changed.There are way too many <BR>
> Masters guys who are content with the way things are. I would like to <BR>
> see the guys that are stuck at the bottom of their respective classes <BR>
> have an easier time going back a class. The main reason we have so <BR>
> many Masters flyers is we advanced guys thru the system before they <BR>
> were ready to compete due to a lack of competition. It's sad to see <BR>
> guys hit a brick wall and end up quiting the sport due to frustration.<BR>
> I like the idea that I can fly Fai or Masters based on my own <BR>
> volition. In the midwest we always have large fields in Masters and <BR>
> it's pretty hard to beat the field.<BR>
> Mike<BR>
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> */"Woodward, Jim" /* wrote:<BR>
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