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<DIV><SPAN class=480333618-03022008><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT
size=3>So if FAI pilots, that are flying FAI now, want to fly FAI (P and F), and
Masters pilots, that are flying Masters now, want to fly Masters, what are we
really "discussing"? Are we looking for a middle class to call Masters + for the
guys that want to fly P and not F or Masters? Sounds like the addition of an
Expert class in AMA to give the fliers in Masters, that want a P type of
sequence, a place to go?<SPAN
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class=810535118-03022008> </SPAN>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR>www.jasonshulman.com<BR>www.shulmanaviation.com<BR>www.composite-arf.com</FONT>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=EC_791490514-03022008><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I have been following this discussion
with some relutance to jump in. As a current Masters pilot and
old time F3A flyer I to once pushed to have the Master schedule be the
P schedule. But you guys need to look at what FAI has done to
the P schedule. Here is link to the F3A rules. <A
href="http://www.fai.org/aeromodelling/documents/sc4"
target=_blank>http://www.fai.org/aeromodelling/documents/sc4</A>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=EC_791490514-03022008><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>FAI has reduced the total maneuvers to
19 including a non scored takeoff and landing. AMA Master
is 23 including a scored takeoff and landing.
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=EC_791490514-03022008><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Going to FAI would certainly speed
things up (which is what FAI intended for large contests like WC to
speed up the prelims and get to the real contest).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=EC_791490514-03022008><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Not sure this is what AMA/NSRCA
membership wants for a destination class.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=EC_791490514-03022008><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>John</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Del Rykert<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 03, 2008 7:14
AM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] changed topic to killing
Masters?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi Dave..</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I never saw
anyone suggesting to do away with the Masters class.. I have
thought of another restriction/factor. Some of the FAI maneuvers
require a specific designed plane to do them well. If you don't have
such an aircraft in your stable you can be looking at a prohibitive
change to switch to those type of planes or live with the self imposed
handicap. Granted, some of the best can make a good showing in FAI
type maneuvers but when needing the 1 point advantage in a high
K-Factor maneuver it does drive the contestants to seek the best
sled that works for them. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>A good friend pointed out
something I had lost sight of once. He acquired a newer designed
airplane to his stable that performed the maneuvers he was flying
so much easier. The design choice alone was raising his scores by
almost 1 point per maneuver. With only a little bit of practice with
new plane. He never appreciated the handicap he self imposed
until having better equipment. Heck.. I still have coreless
servos and not a digital do I own.. How far behind am I? LOL.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>
Del</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=burtona@atmc.net href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">Dave
Burton</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.f3a.us
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.f3a.us">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 02,
2008 7:33 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
F at locals?</DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Del,
I’ve never advocated doing away with the Master’s class. I only
suggested adopting the most current FAI P maneuver schedule and fly
Master’s as a separate class as we do today. Masters pilots would
not be required to advance to the FAI class unless they chose to do
so. Seems to me like it solves several problems. It allows a CD to
have more flexibility in arranging flight lines, a larger pool of
knowledgeable judges, eliminates the need for NSRCA (or others) to
come up with a new schedule periodically for the Masters Class. I
don’t think there is any difference in the difficulty level of the P
schedule and the Masters schedule today and would not require any
greater skill level than Masters does today IMO. </SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Dave
Burton</SPAN></P>
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