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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Could be ~~ had no personal
experience and seldom believed the hype the puter rags put out.. Learned half of
them are hyping a product that advertised in their mag but don't work as claimed
~~ lol Still prefer the simplicity and honest effectiveness of DOS. But
such is progress.. Well according to Gates.. and some others.. ~~ <tic>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2> Del </FONT></DIV>
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<A title=mjfrederick@cox.net href="mailto:mjfrederick@cox.net">Matthew
Frederick</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 28, 2008 6:31
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba
FASST System</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Notice I didn't put 98SE on that list. That was
the only FAT-based windows environment that worked halfway
decently.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Matt</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=drykert2@rochester.rr.com
href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com">Del Rykert</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba
FASST System</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Can't speak for others but I went
from Dos to windows '98 SE and never gave me grief. Granted I did do a
reinstall of the OS ever 2 years but I see that as routine maintenance.
Similar to sending your radio in for a tune-up.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> Del
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>From: "Matthew Frederick"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:mjfrederick@cox.net"><FONT face=Arial
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008
9:36 PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Futaba FASST System</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>> By
that rationale everyone who bought a computer with windows 95, 98, or Me
<BR>> should have returned it immediately.<BR>> <BR>> I just
realized that although my intent was sarcasm, that statement was <BR>>
pretty much right-on.<BR>> <BR>> Matt<BR>> ----- Original Message
----- <BR>> From: "John Ferrell" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>johnferrell@earthlink.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>><BR>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>><BR>> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:23
PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba FASST System<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>>>I feel that any device that can be damaged by turning
it off too quickly<BR>>> after turning it on is defective as
shipped.<BR>>> We, the customers and the users are entitled to a
product that works as<BR>>> advertised.<BR>>> I still love my 9Z
after all these years but how Futaba handles this<BR>>> disaster will
determine my future choice of equipment.<BR>>><BR>>> I feel
betrayed that they let it happen to begin with.<BR>>><BR>>> John
Ferrell W8CCW<BR>>> "Life is easier if you learn to
plow<BR>>> around the
stumps"<BR>>> </FONT><A href="http://DixieNC.US"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://DixieNC.US</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>>><BR>>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>> From:
"Chad Northeast" <</FONT><A href="mailto:chad@f3acanada.org"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>chad@f3acanada.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>><BR>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>><BR>>> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 12:32
PM<BR>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba FASST
System<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>>I think the possibility exists
to reset the code in the module if you<BR>>>> cycle power too
fast. If you lose the code the binding is gone.
The<BR>>>> problem is if your module resets to 00000000, and you
re-bind your rx,<BR>>>> now your rx will see any 00000000 module
around it, and can be shot down<BR>>>> until its re-bound to a
unique code.<BR>>>><BR>>>> This is why you are being told
not to re-bind the rx, and send in your<BR>>>> module (in the case
of a TM-7) or your radio to be checked.<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Chad<BR>>>><BR>>>> Jay Marshall
wrote:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Reading the Futaba FASST
advisory, it is not clear to me what are the<BR>>>>> results of
turning the TX on and off quickly. Does it loose its
code,<BR>>>>> or just the binding which would have to be
repeated?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> </FONT><A
href="http://2.4gigahertz.com/techsupport/service-advisory-tm7-7c-6ex.html"><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>http://2.4gigahertz.com/techsupport/service-advisory-tm7-7c-6ex.html</FONT></A><BR><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>>>>><BR>>>>> */Jay
/**/Marshall/*<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>>>>> *From:* </FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><BR><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>>>>>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf
Of<BR>>>>> </FONT><A href="mailto:*vicenterc@comcast.net"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>*vicenterc@comcast.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:39
AM<BR>>>>> *To:* NSRCA Mailing List; NSRCA Mailing
List<BR>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba FASST
System<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
Question: Could the JR has the same problem? Please don't start
a<BR>>>>> war around brands. I just want to know if the JR
could eventually<BR>>>>> have the same
issue.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
--<BR>>>>> Vicente "Vince"
Bortone<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
-------------- Original message
--------------<BR>>>>> From: "John
Pavlick" <</FONT><A href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jpavlick@idseng.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
> That makes sense. The only problem is you can't assign this
code<BR>>>>>
yourself<BR>>>>> > even if you could
see what it is and you DID find that it
was<BR>>>>> re-set
to<BR>>>>> > 0000. Not a good thing.
Kinda defeats the whole purpose of
using<BR>>>>> 2.4GHz
in<BR>>>>> > the first place. Another
brilliant accomplishment for "Dr. <BR>>>>>
Murphy"!<BR>>>>>
><BR>>>>> > John
Pavlick<BR>>>>> > </FONT><A
href="http://www.idseng.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.idseng.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>>>>>
><BR>>>>> > ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>>> > From: "Chad
Northeast"<BR>>>>> > To: "NSRCA
Mailing List"<BR>>>>> > Sent: Sunday,
January 27, 2008 11:11 AM<BR>>>>> >
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba FASST
System<BR>>>>>
><BR>>>>>
><BR>>>>> > > On the 14 (and I
think the 12) the code is in the TX not
the<BR>>>>> module,
and<BR>>>>> > > is I think vis!
ible to the user, but I am not sure
where.<BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > > On the TM-7 (and
probably TM-8) the code is in the module
which<BR>>>>> is
where<BR>>>>> > > the problems
occur as you have no way of identifying you have
a<BR>>>>>
default<BR>>>>> > > code. Then you
re-bind your rx and now its default
as<BR>>>>> well....so
anyone<BR>>>>> > > that has a
default code can now shoot you
down.<BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > > I don't believe
there is a guarantee that you will reset
the<BR>>>>> code
by<BR>>>>> > > re-booting your tx
within 5 seconds...but the fact you
cannot<BR>>>>> see if
a<BR>>>>> > > problem was caused
is the reason for the precaution. I
think<BR>>>>> anyone
who<BR>>>>> > > has to re-bind a
rx that has already been bound, should have
a<BR>>>>> few
??<BR>>>>> > > dancing through
their head and send the system in to ensure
its<BR>>>>> > > operating
properly.<BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > >
Chad<BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > > John Pavlick
wrote:<BR>>>>> > >>
Ron,<BR>>>>> > >> Great
question. One way to find ! out wou ld be to
find<BR>>>>> someone who
has<BR>>>>> > >> screwed up
their FASST system Tx (re-initialized the ID
to<BR>>>>> 0000) and
see<BR>>>>> > >>
if<BR>>>>> > >> your Tx
controls their Rx too. I'm thinking that the ID
that<BR>>>>>
we're<BR>>>>> > >>
concerned<BR>>>>> > >> about is
stored in the FASST module NOT the Tx itself
though.<BR>>>>> Think
about<BR>>>>> > >> it. You can
put a FASST module in a 9Z. When the 9Z came
out,<BR>>>>> 2.4GHz
was<BR>>>>> > >> only popular
in car radios. It's very unlikely that the 9Z
has<BR>>>>> a
unique<BR>>>>> > >>
ID<BR>>>>> > >> assigned to
each Tx. I could be wrong but I bet the ID
is<BR>>>>> embedded in
the<BR>>>>> > >> module NOT the
Tx itself. One way to verify this would be
to<BR>>>>> take
2<BR>>>>> > >> identical FASST
systems that are working correctly (i.e. each<BR>>>>>
one<BR>>>>> > >>
controls<BR>>>>> > >> it's own
Rx) and swap Tx modules. If they now control
the<BR>>>>> "other" Rx
then<BR>>>>> > >> the ID is
embedded in the module.<BR>>>>> >! ;
>& gt;<BR>>>>> > >>
Unfortunately you still can't verify that your module / Tx
/<BR>>>>> whatever
has<BR>>>>> > >> not been
re-set to ID 0000 unless you have a known
"bad"<BR>>>>> system. What
a<BR>>>>> > >> bummer. The ID
should be completely non-volatile, not
stored<BR>>>>> in EEPROM
or<BR>>>>> > >> Flash. I guess
Futaba doesn't use Maxim / Dallas ID
chips.<BR>>>>> >
>><BR>>>>> > >> John
Pavlick<BR>>>>> > >> </FONT><A
href="http://www.idseng.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.idseng.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>>>>> >
>><BR>>>>> > >> -----
Original Message -----<BR>>>>> >
>> From: "Ron Van Putte"<BR>>>>>
> >> To: "NSRCA Mailing
List"<BR>>>>> > >> Cc: "Mel
Duval"<BR>>>>> > >> Sent:
Sunday, January 27, 2008 10:29
AM<BR>>>>> > >> Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] Futaba FASST
System<BR>>>>> >
>><BR>>>>> >
>><BR>>>>> >
>><BR>>>>> > >>> I've
been thinking about the problem that occurs with the<BR>>>>>
Futaba<BR>>>>> > >>> FASST
sy! stem wh en the owner turns on the transmitter
and<BR>>>>> turns it
off<BR>>>>> > >>> within the
5 second "boot up" period. Namely, that
the<BR>>>>>
transmitter's<BR>>>>> > >>>
code defaults to 0000 and the owner must rebind the
receiver<BR>>>>> to
the<BR>>>>> > >>> new
transmitter code. However, EVERYONE who does this now
has<BR>>>>> a
0000<BR>>>>> > >>> "unique"
code in their FASST system and can control
other<BR>>>>>
airplanes<BR>>>>> > >>> with
the same code.<BR>>>>> >
>>><BR>>>>> > >>> I
wonder what happens to the ordinary transmitters with a
new<BR>>>>>
FASST<BR>>>>> > >>> system
module plugged in. Do non-FASST transmitters also
have<BR>>>>>
this<BR>>>>> > >>> code and,
if I've turned on my transmitter and turned it
off<BR>>>>>
within<BR>>>>> > >>> the 5
second "boot up" period, has my transmitter gone to
the<BR>>>>>
default<BR>>>>> > >>> code?
I know I've done this with my transmitter and I'm
sure<BR>>>>> I'm
not<BR>>>>> > >>> the only
one. For example, I decid! e to do some
transmitter<BR>>>>> > >>>
programming and turn on my transmitter. Then I decide to
go<BR>>>>> to
the<BR>>>>> > >>> mode in
which my transmitter's RF section is
not<BR>>>>> transmitting, so
I<BR>>>>> > >>> shut it off
and go to the "no RF" mode, all within 5
seconds.<BR>>>>> Did
I<BR>>>>> > >>> just make my
transmitter's code default to
0000?<BR>>>>> >
>>><BR>>>>> > >>>
This could be really bad if the situation I described is
true.<BR>>>>> > >>> Please
tell me it isn't like this.<BR>>>>> >
>>><BR>>>>> > >>>
BTW, check out this url: </FONT><A
href="http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>>>>> >
>>>
showthread.php?t=807785#post9017413<BR>>>>>
> >>> The thread involves modeler's experiences of testing
their<BR>>>>> FASST<BR>>>>>
> >>> systems at local hobby shops with Futaba's "FASST
test<BR>>>>>
station".<BR>>>>> >
>>><BR>>>>> > >>>
Ron Van Putte<BR>>>>> > >>>
_______________________________________________<BR>>>>>
&g! t; > >> NSRCA-discussion mailing
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