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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Tony<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 28, 2008
6:30 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'NSRCA Mailing List'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Fwd: Altitude limits</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The AMA has great
contacts with the FAA in these issues. As a matter of fact, I just saw a
letter this weekend while I was in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Muncie</st1:place></st1:City>
at an EC meeting,from the FAA to the AMA inviting the AMA to sit on a rules
advisory board as THE AUTHORITY on model aircraft. This puts us in a
great position where we are involved and have a say in what happens.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:navy'>Brunswick</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">GA</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">31525</st1:PostalCode></span></font></st1:place><font
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>1-800-962-7802</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>tony@radiosouthrc.com</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Keith Hoard<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 24, 2008
1:38 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Fwd: Altitude limits</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Or. . . you can have some FAA bureaucrat
in a back office write it into law (lumping model aircraft into the UAV
category) and get it signed by the Administrator. . . . THEN we get to spend
months or years fighting an uphill battle, paying lawyers and and politicians
to go back and get the rule changed. . . meanwhile your local model field will
get random checks from the local FAA FSDO office to check for compliance with
the new 400' AGL rule. </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On Jan 23,
2008 4:41 PM, Lisa & Larry <<a href="mailto:lld613@psci.net">lld613@psci.net</a>>
wrote:</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Two schools of thought on
this…</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>1)</span></font><font
size=1 color=navy><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:navy'>
</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Let a sleeping dog lie…</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>2)</span></font><font
size=1 color=navy><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:navy'>
</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Take the bull by the horns…</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Be careful of the battles
you choose. IMHO the AMA should be aware and should help those fields that come
into this issue. If the issue leads to the FAA, then it is on a path to resolve
conflict…</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>On the other hand, if the
AMA goes in guns a blazing this may cause a reaction of, "oh, we
missed that…AMA you are right…we (the FAA) will certainly be obliged to correct
the document so that it reads *<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>must</span></b>*,
the you *<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>will</span></b>* fly under 400ft AGL
across the country…</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Larry Diamond</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.f3a.us"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.f3a.us</a> [mailto:<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.f3a.us" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.f3a.us</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jay Marshall<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, January 23, 2008
12:51 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'NSRCA Mailing List'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Fwd: Altitude limits</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Don't we pay AMA dues to
resolve things like this? If enforced it could shut down many types of models.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><b><i><font size=4 color=navy face="Brush Script MT"><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Brush Script MT";color:navy;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>Jay Marshall</span></font></i></b><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ed White<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, January 23, 2008
1:30 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Fwd: Altitude limits</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I'm not interpreting this the same way at
all. First, the document is a notice of policy that has been released
with the action only for feedback, not for compliance. It is not a policy
yet and should not be being enforced just based on this document. Second,
making AC 91-57 the authority under which model aircraft are flown is not the
same as changing its contents from guidance to mandatory. The policy does
not change any of the words of AC 91-57 and in fact repeats those words,
"Model aircraft SHOULD [my caps] be flown below 400 feet above the surface
..." That is not the same as saying "Model aircraft MUST be flown
below 400 feet above the surface ...". In order for the 400 foot
limit to be mandatory, the FAA will need to change the existing AC which only
provides "guidance that encourages good judgment on the part of
operators...".<br>
<br>
Nothing in the notice of policy suggests to me that the FAA is proposing to
make any such change. <br>
<br>
Ed<br>
<br>
<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>James Oddino <<a
href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com" target="_blank">joddino@socal.rr.com</a>></span></i></b>
wrote:</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Begin forwarded message:</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=4 color=black face=Helvetica style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Bryan Hudson <<a
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color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>January 22, 2008
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size=4 color=black face=Helvetica style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>James Oddino <<a
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color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;font-weight:bold'>Subject: Re: Fwd:
[NSRCA-discussion] Altitude limits </span></font></b><font color=black><span
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<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Jim,</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
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<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>That used to be correct up till Feburary
last year. Long story short. FAA (Advisory Circular) AC 91-57 for
model airplanes has been around since 1981. It "advises" fly
models below 400 feet AGL (above ground level). Because of the growing
unmanned aircraft industry, last February the NTSB / FAA issued a "Policy
Statement" in the Federal Register officially making AC 91-57 the
"Authority" under which models will be flown. So as of last
Feb. fly below 400 AGL is federal law. This information has recently been
added to the FAA's own web site, and now it looks like the new policy is
being enforced. </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>New regulation on FAA's web site <a
href="http://www.faa.gov/" target="_blank"><font color="#003399"><span
style='color:#003399'>www.faa.gov</span></font></a></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>T</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'>o fly a UAS you must have an
(Experimental Airworthiness Certificate) EAC, <u>unless </u>you </span></font><font
color="#3d3d3d"><span style='color:#3D3D3D'>are a hobbyist and intend to fly
your model aircraft in accordance with the guidance in AC 91-57 "Model
Aircraft Operating Standards."</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color="#3d3d3d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D3D3D'>In other words, if you want to fly
higher than AC 91-57 allows (above 400 AGL) then you must have an EAC.
EACs are not being issued to modelers so don't even think about that.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color="#3d3d3d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D3D3D'>You can find the Federal Register Policy
Statement that lays this out on this site also. </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#3D3D3D'><a
href="http://www.faa.gov/" target="_blank"><font color=purple><span
style='color:purple'>www.faa.gov</span></font></a> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color="#3d3d3d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#3D3D3D'>At this point click on
Regulations and Policies for links to:</span></font><font color="#3d3d3d"><span
style='color:#3D3D3D'>:</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2 color="#3d3d3d"
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</span></font><font
color="#3d3d3d"><span style='color:#3D3D3D'>Advisory Circulars - AC 91-57 Model
Aircraft Operating Standards </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'>Policies - <a
href="http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert/design_approvals/uas/reg/media/frnotice_uas.pdf"
target="_blank" title="Federal Register Notice – Clarification of FAA Policy"><font
color=black><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none'>Federal
Register Notice – Clarification of FAA Policy</span></font></a> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color="#3d3d3d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D3D3D'>Or after Unmanned Aircraft click on
FAQ for statement on FAA's web site.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color="#3d3d3d" face="Times New Roman"><span
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<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><font
size=3 color="#3d3d3d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:#3D3D3D'>Bryan</span></font></st1:place></st1:City><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:gray'><br>
<br>
<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>James Oddino <<a
href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com" target="_blank">joddino@socal.rr.com</a>></span></i></b>
wrote:</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=4 color=black face=Helvetica style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:
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font-stretch: normal'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;
color:#3D3D3D'>Ed White <<a href="mailto:edvwhite@sbcglobal.net"
target="_blank"> edvwhite@sbcglobal.net</a>></span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:#3D3D3D'>January 21, 2008 1:13:55 PM PST </span></font><font color=black><span
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style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'><span style='font-size:
13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#3D3D3D;font-weight:bold'>Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Altitude limits</span></font></b><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-right:.5in;margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
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style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;font-weight:bold'>Reply-To:
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font-stretch: normal'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;
color:#3D3D3D'>NSRCA Mailing List <<a
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size=3 color="#3d3d3d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:#3D3D3D'> </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
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<p style='margin-right:.5in;margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid windowtext 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font
size=3 color="#3d3d3d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:#3D3D3D'>It is written in FAA Advisory Circular AC 91-57, dated June 9,
1981. You can download it from the the FAA website (<a
href="http://www.faa.gov/" target="_blank">www.faa.gov</a> and then type AC
91-57 into the search box).<br>
<br>
It says "Do not fly model aircraft higher than 400 feet above the
surface." This applies to any location. But because the next
sentence says "When flying aircraft within 3 miles of an airport, notify
the airport operator ..." some people misinterpret the requirement
as 400 feet only when within 3 miles of an airport.<br>
<br>
The key point is that it is an ADVISORY Circular. It outlines the FAA's
preferred model aircraft operating standards, but compliance with the AC is
voluntary. An AC is not the same as a FAR (Federal Aviation Regulation). <br>
<br>
Ed<br>
<br>
<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Mark Atwood <<a
href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com" target="_blank">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>></span></i></b>
wrote: </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;
margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid windowtext 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3 color="#3d3d3d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#3D3D3D'>It was
always my understanding that we were never supposed to exceed 400 ft<br>
and that full scale aircraft were to stay above 500ft. But I'm not sure<br>
where that's written...<br>
<br>
-M<br>
<br>
<br>
On 1/21/08 2:35 PM, "James Oddino" wrote:<br>
<br>
> I'm getting some breaking news that there is some type of advisory<br>
> that says we shouldn't be flying above 400 feet at our field in<br>
> <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Camarillo</st1:place></st1:City>.
Are there any general rules about altitude limits that we<br>
> should be aware of? We are pretty far from the <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Camarillo</st1:place></st1:City>
airport and<br>
> never get close to any full size stuff so I don't understand why there<br>
> would be a local restriction. More to follow I'm sure.<br>
> <br>
> Jim O<br>
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