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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT face=Arial size=2>I </FONT>sure agree with your
view John.</FONT> <FONT color=#0000ff>Thankfully none of the worst case
scenarios have happened yet. At least that I am aware of. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> Del</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>From: "John Ferrell" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>johnferrell@earthlink.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 9:23
PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Futaba FASST System</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>>I feel that any device that can be damaged
by turning it off too quickly <BR>> after turning it on is defective as
shipped.<BR>> We, the customers and the users are entitled to a product that
works as <BR>> advertised.<BR>> I still love my 9Z after all these years
but how Futaba handles this <BR>> disaster will determine my future choice of
equipment.<BR>> <BR>> I feel betrayed that they let it happen to begin
with.<BR>> <BR>> John Ferrell W8CCW<BR>> "Life is
easier if you learn to plow<BR>> around
the stumps"<BR>> </FONT><A href="http://DixieNC.US"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://DixieNC.US</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Chad
Northeast" <</FONT><A href="mailto:chad@f3acanada.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>chad@f3acanada.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>><BR>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>><BR>> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 12:32 PM<BR>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Futaba FASST System<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>>I think the
possibility exists to reset the code in the module if you<BR>>> cycle
power too fast. If you lose the code the binding is gone.
The<BR>>> problem is if your module resets to 00000000, and you re-bind
your rx,<BR>>> now your rx will see any 00000000 module around it, and can
be shot down<BR>>> until its re-bound to a unique
code.<BR>>><BR>>> This is why you are being told not to re-bind the
rx, and send in your<BR>>> module (in the case of a TM-7) or your radio to
be checked.<BR>>><BR>>> Chad<BR>>><BR>>> Jay Marshall
wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>> Reading the Futaba FASST advisory, it is
not clear to me what are the<BR>>>> results of turning the TX on and
off quickly. Does it loose its code,<BR>>>> or just the binding which
would have to be repeated?<BR>>>><BR>>>> </FONT><A
href="http://2.4gigahertz.com/techsupport/service-advisory-tm7-7c-6ex.html"><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>http://2.4gigahertz.com/techsupport/service-advisory-tm7-7c-6ex.html</FONT></A><BR><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>>>><BR>>>> */Jay
/**/Marshall/*<BR>>>><BR>>>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>>>> *From:* </FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>>>>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of<BR>>>>
</FONT><A href="mailto:*vicenterc@comcast.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>*vicenterc@comcast.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:39 AM<BR>>>>
*To:* NSRCA Mailing List; NSRCA Mailing List<BR>>>> *Subject:* Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Futaba FASST
System<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>
Question: Could the JR has the same problem? Please don't start
a<BR>>>> war around brands. I just want to know if the JR could
eventually<BR>>>> have the same
issue.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>
--<BR>>>> Vicente "Vince"
Bortone<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>
-------------- Original message
--------------<BR>>>> From: "John Pavlick"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jpavlick@idseng.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>><BR>>>><BR>>>> > That
makes sense. The only problem is you can't assign this
code<BR>>>>
yourself<BR>>>> > even if you could see what
it is and you DID find that it was<BR>>>>
re-set to<BR>>>> > 0000. Not a good thing.
Kinda defeats the whole purpose of using<BR>>>>
2.4GHz in<BR>>>> > the first place. Another
brilliant accomplishment for "Dr.
Murphy"!<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> > John
Pavlick<BR>>>> > </FONT><A
href="http://www.idseng.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.idseng.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>>>>
><BR>>>> > ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>> > From: "Chad
Northeast"<BR>>>> > To: "NSRCA Mailing
List"<BR>>>> > Sent: Sunday, January 27,
2008 11:11 AM<BR>>>> > Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Futaba FASST System<BR>>>>
><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> > > On the 14 (and I think
the 12) the code is in the TX not the<BR>>>>
module, and<BR>>>> > > is I think vis!
ible to the user, but I am not sure
where.<BR>>>> >
><BR>>>> > > On the TM-7 (and probably
TM-8) the code is in the module which<BR>>>> is
where<BR>>>> > > the problems occur as
you have no way of identifying you have
a<BR>>>>
default<BR>>>> > > code. Then you re-bind
your rx and now its default as<BR>>>>
well....so anyone<BR>>>> > > that has a
default code can now shoot you down.<BR>>>>
> ><BR>>>> > > I don't believe
there is a guarantee that you will reset
the<BR>>>> code
by<BR>>>> > > re-booting your tx within 5
seconds...but the fact you cannot<BR>>>> see if
a<BR>>>> > > problem was caused is the
reason for the precaution. I think<BR>>>>
anyone who<BR>>>> > > has to re-bind a rx
that has already been bound, should have
a<BR>>>> few
??<BR>>>> > > dancing through their head
and send the system in to ensure its<BR>>>>
> > operating properly.<BR>>>> >
><BR>>>> > >
Chad<BR>>>> >
><BR>>>> > > John Pavlick
wrote:<BR>>>> > >>
Ron,<BR>>>> > >> Great question. One
way to find ! out wou ld be to find<BR>>>>
someone who has<BR>>>> > >> screwed up
their FASST system Tx (re-initialized the ID
to<BR>>>> 0000) and
see<BR>>>> > >>
if<BR>>>> > >> your Tx controls their
Rx too. I'm thinking that the ID that<BR>>>>
we're<BR>>>> > >>
concerned<BR>>>> > >> about is stored
in the FASST module NOT the Tx itself
though.<BR>>>> Think
about<BR>>>> > >> it. You can put a
FASST module in a 9Z. When the 9Z came
out,<BR>>>> 2.4GHz
was<BR>>>> > >> only popular in car
radios. It's very unlikely that the 9Z
has<BR>>>> a
unique<BR>>>> > >>
ID<BR>>>> > >> assigned to each Tx. I
could be wrong but I bet the ID is<BR>>>>
embedded in the<BR>>>> > >> module NOT
the Tx itself. One way to verify this would be
to<BR>>>> take
2<BR>>>> > >> identical FASST systems
that are working correctly (i.e. each <BR>>>>
one<BR>>>> > >>
controls<BR>>>> > >> it's own Rx) and
swap Tx modules. If they now control the<BR>>>>
"other" Rx then<BR>>>> > >> the ID is
embedded in the module.<BR>>>> >! ;
>& gt;<BR>>>> > >>
Unfortunately you still can't verify that your module / Tx
/<BR>>>> whatever
has<BR>>>> > >> not been re-set to ID
0000 unless you have a known "bad"<BR>>>>
system. What a<BR>>>> > >> bummer. The
ID should be completely non-volatile, not
stored<BR>>>> in EEPROM
or<BR>>>> > >> Flash. I guess Futaba
doesn't use Maxim / Dallas ID chips.<BR>>>>
> >><BR>>>> > >> John
Pavlick<BR>>>> > >> </FONT><A
href="http://www.idseng.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.idseng.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>>>> >
>><BR>>>> > >> ----- Original
Message -----<BR>>>> > >> From: "Ron
Van Putte"<BR>>>> > >> To: "NSRCA
Mailing List"<BR>>>> > >> Cc: "Mel
Duval"<BR>>>> > >> Sent: Sunday,
January 27, 2008 10:29 AM<BR>>>> > >>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba FASST
System<BR>>>> >
>><BR>>>> >
>><BR>>>> >
>><BR>>>> > >>> I've been
thinking about the problem that occurs with the <BR>>>>
Futaba<BR>>>> > >>> FASST sy! stem
wh en the owner turns on the transmitter
and<BR>>>> turns it
off<BR>>>> > >>> within the 5
second "boot up" period. Namely, that
the<BR>>>>
transmitter's<BR>>>> > >>> code
defaults to 0000 and the owner must rebind the
receiver<BR>>>> to
the<BR>>>> > >>> new transmitter
code. However, EVERYONE who does this now
has<BR>>>> a
0000<BR>>>> > >>> "unique" code in
their FASST system and can control other<BR>>>>
airplanes<BR>>>> > >>> with the
same code.<BR>>>> >
>>><BR>>>> > >>> I wonder
what happens to the ordinary transmitters with a
new<BR>>>>
FASST<BR>>>> > >>> system module
plugged in. Do non-FASST transmitters also
have<BR>>>>
this<BR>>>> > >>> code and, if I've
turned on my transmitter and turned it
off<BR>>>>
within<BR>>>> > >>> the 5 second
"boot up" period, has my transmitter gone to
the<BR>>>>
default<BR>>>> > >>> code? I know
I've done this with my transmitter and I'm
sure<BR>>>> I'm
not<BR>>>> > >>> the only one. For
example, I decid! e to do some
transmitter<BR>>>> > >>>
programming and turn on my transmitter. Then I decide to
go<BR>>>> to
the<BR>>>> > >>> mode in which my
transmitter's RF section is not<BR>>>>
transmitting, so I<BR>>>> > >>>
shut it off and go to the "no RF" mode, all within 5
seconds.<BR>>>> Did
I<BR>>>> > >>> just make my
transmitter's code default to 0000?<BR>>>> >
>>><BR>>>> > >>> This
could be really bad if the situation I described is
true.<BR>>>> > >>> Please tell me
it isn't like this.<BR>>>> >
>>><BR>>>> > >>> BTW,
check out this url: </FONT><A href="http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>>>> > >>>
showthread.php?t=807785#post9017413<BR>>>> >
>>> The thread involves modeler's experiences of testing their
<BR>>>> FASST<BR>>>> > >>>
systems at local hobby shops with Futaba's "FASST test <BR>>>>
station".<BR>>>> >
>>><BR>>>> > >>> Ron Van
Putte<BR>>>> > >>>
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