Or. . . you can have some FAA bureaucrat in a back office write it into law (lumping model aircraft into the UAV category) and get it signed by the Administrator. . . . THEN we get to spend months or years fighting an uphill battle, paying lawyers and and politicians to go back and get the rule changed. . . meanwhile your local model field will get random checks from the local FAA FSDO office to check for compliance with the new 400' AGL rule.  
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 23, 2008 4:41 PM, Lisa &amp; Larry &lt;<a href="mailto:lld613@psci.net">lld613@psci.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">













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<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Two schools of thought on this…</span></font></p>

<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p style="margin-left: 0.5in; text-indent: -0.25in;"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><span>1)<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>
</font></span></span></font><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Let a sleeping dog lie…</span></font></p>

<p style="margin-left: 0.5in; text-indent: -0.25in;"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><span>2)<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>
</font></span></span></font><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Take the bull by the horns…</span></font></p>

<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Be careful of the battles you choose. IMHO
the AMA should be aware and should help those fields that come into this issue.
If the issue leads to the FAA, then it is on a path to resolve conflict…</span></font></p>

<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">On the other hand, if the AMA goes in guns
a blazing this may cause a reaction of, &nbsp;"oh, we missed that…AMA
you are right…we (the FAA) will certainly be obliged to correct the
document so that it reads *<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">must</span></b>*,
the you *<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">will</span></b>* fly under 400ft AGL
across the country…</span></font></p>

<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Larry Diamond</span></font></p>

<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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<p><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">
<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.f3a.us" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.f3a.us</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.f3a.us" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.f3a.us</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Jay Marshall<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, January 23, 2008
12:51 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> &#39;NSRCA
 Mailing List&#39;<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Fwd: Altitude limits</span></font></p>

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<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Don't we pay AMA dues to resolve
things like this? If enforced it could shut down many types of models.</span></font></p>

<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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<p><b><i><font color="navy" face="Brush Script MT" size="4"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: navy; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">Jay Marshall</span></font></i></b><font color="navy"><span style="color: navy;">
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Ed White<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, January 23, 2008
1:30 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> NSRCA
 Mailing List<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Fwd: Altitude limits</span></font></p>

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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I&#39;m not interpreting this the same way at all.&nbsp;
First, the document is a notice of policy that has been released with the action
only for feedback, not for compliance.&nbsp; It is not a policy yet and should
not be being enforced just based on this document.&nbsp; Second, making AC
91-57 the authority under which model aircraft are flown is not the same as
changing its contents from guidance to mandatory.&nbsp; The policy does not
change any of the words of AC 91-57 and in fact repeats those words,
&quot;Model aircraft SHOULD [my caps] be flown below 400 feet above the surface
...&quot; That is not the same as saying &quot;Model aircraft MUST be flown
below 400 feet above the surface ...&quot;.&nbsp; In order for the 400 foot
limit to be mandatory, the FAA will need to change the existing AC which only
provides &quot;guidance that encourages good judgment on the part of
operators...&quot;.<br>
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Nothing in the notice of policy suggests to me that the FAA is proposing to
make any such change.&nbsp; <br>
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Ed<br>
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<b><i><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">James Oddino
&lt;<a href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com" target="_blank">joddino@socal.rr.com</a>&gt;</span></i></b> wrote:</span></font></p>

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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Begin forwarded message:</span></font></p>

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From:
</span></font></b><font style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;" face="Helvetica" size="4"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;">Bryan
Hudson &lt;<a href="mailto:gbflyer@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">gbflyer@sbcglobal.net</a>&gt;</span></font></p>

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Date:
</span></font></b><font style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;" face="Helvetica" size="4"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;">January
22, 2008 10:00:42 PM PST</span></font></p>

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To:
</span></font></b><font style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;" face="Helvetica" size="4"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;">James
Oddino &lt;<a href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com" target="_blank">joddino@socal.rr.com</a>&gt;</span></font></p>

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Subject:
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Jim,</span></font></p>

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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">That used to be correct up till Feburary last
year.&nbsp; Long story short.&nbsp; FAA (Advisory Circular) AC 91-57 for model
airplanes has been around since 1981.&nbsp; It &quot;advises&quot; fly models
below 400 feet AGL (above ground level).&nbsp; Because of the growing unmanned
aircraft industry, last February the NTSB / <span><span>FAA</span></span> issued a &quot;Policy Statement&quot; in
the Federal Register officially making AC 91-57 the &quot;Authority&quot; under
which models will be flown.&nbsp; So as of last Feb. fly below 400 AGL is
federal law.&nbsp; This information has recently been added to the <span><span>FAA</span></span>&#39;s own web site,
and now it looks like the new policy&nbsp;is being
enforced.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">New regulation on <span><span>FAA</span></span>&#39;s
web site <a href="http://www.faa.gov/" target="_blank"><span><span><font color="#003399"><span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 153);">www.faa.gov</span></font></span></span></a></span></font></p>

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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Times New   Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">T</span></font>o
fly a UAS you must have an (Experimental Airworthiness Certificate) EAC, <u>unless
</u>you <font color="#3d3d3d"><span style="color: rgb(61, 61, 61);">are a hobbyist and
intend to fly your model aircraft in accordance with the guidance in AC 91-57
&quot;Model Aircraft Operating Standards."</span></font></p>

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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="#3d3d3d" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(61, 61, 61);">In other
words, if you want to fly higher than AC 91-57 allows (above 400 AGL) then you
must have an EAC.&nbsp; EACs are not being issued to modelers so don&#39;t even
think about that.</span></font></p>

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find the Federal Register Policy Statement that lays this out on this site
also.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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<span><span style="color: purple;">www.faa.gov</span></span></font></span></a>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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Topics - Aircraft Certification</span></font></p>

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of Aircraft - Unmanned Aircraft</span></font></p>

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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="#3d3d3d" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(61, 61, 61);">At
this point click on Regulations and Policies&nbsp;for links to:</span></font><font color="#3d3d3d"><span style="color: rgb(61, 61, 61);">:</span></font></p>

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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></font><font color="#3d3d3d"><span style="color: rgb(61, 61, 61);">Advisory
Circulars - AC 91-57 Model Aircraft Operating Standards </span></font></p>

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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black;">Policies - <a href="http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert/design_approvals/uas/reg/media/frnotice_uas.pdf" title="Federal Register Notice – Clarification of FAA Policy" target="_blank">
<font color="black"><span style="color: black; text-decoration: none;">Federal Register
Notice – Clarification of FAA Policy</span></font></a> </span></font></p>

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Unmanned Aircraft click on FAQ for statement on <span><span>FAA</span></span>&#39;s web site.</span></font></p>

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<b><i><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">James Oddino &lt;<a href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com" target="_blank">joddino@socal.rr.com</a>&gt;</span></i></b>
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From:
</span></font></b><font style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;" color="#3d3d3d" face="Helvetica" size="4"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica; color: rgb(61, 61, 61);">Ed White &lt;<a href="mailto:edvwhite@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">
edvwhite@sbcglobal.net</a>&gt;</span></font></p>

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Date:
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Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Altitude limits</span></font></b></p>

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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="#3d3d3d" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(61, 61, 61);">It is
written in FAA Advisory Circular AC 91-57, dated June 9, 1981.&nbsp; You can
download it from the the FAA website (<a href="http://www.faa.gov/" target="_blank">www.faa.gov</a>
and then type AC 91-57 into the search box).<br>
<br>
It says &quot;Do not fly model aircraft higher than 400 feet above the
surface.&quot;&nbsp; This applies to any location.&nbsp; But because the next
sentence says &quot;When flying aircraft within 3 miles of an airport, notify
the airport operator ...&quot;&nbsp; some people misinterpret the requirement
as 400 feet only when within 3 miles of an airport.<br>
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The key point is that it is an ADVISORY Circular.&nbsp; It outlines the FAA&#39;s
preferred model aircraft operating standards, but compliance with the AC is
voluntary.&nbsp; An AC is not the same as a FAR (Federal Aviation Regulation). <br>
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Ed<br>
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<b><i><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">Mark Atwood &lt;<a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com" target="_blank">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>&gt;</span></i></b>
wrote: </span></font></p>

<p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="#3d3d3d" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(61, 61, 61);">It was always my understanding that we
were never supposed to exceed 400 ft<br>
and that full scale aircraft were to stay above 500ft. But I&#39;m not sure<br>
where that&#39;s written...<br>
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-M<br>
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<br>
On 1/21/08 2:35 PM, &quot;James Oddino&quot; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; I&#39;m getting some breaking news that there is some type of advisory<br>
&gt; that says we shouldn&#39;t be flying above 400 feet at our field in<br>
&gt; Camarillo.
Are there any general rules about altitude limits that we<br>
&gt; should be aware of? We are pretty far from the Camarillo airport and<br>
&gt; never get close to any full size stuff so I don&#39;t understand why there<br>
&gt; would be a local restriction. More to follow I&#39;m sure.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Jim O<br>
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