The way I see it this is all common sence if full scale aircraft are close give right of way, get low or land, as I said the other day we are across from an army base and never know when there will be air traffic sometimes so heavy I just go home but most times it just a matter of stay low while they pass. If we have to stay below 400 ft. well we might as well all go buy foamys and say good bye to anything bigger than a few few oz's.<BR><BR><B><I>Lance Van Nostrand <patterndude@tx.rr.com></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16587" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE>v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } </STYLE> <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:SmartTagType name="City"
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chain. I'll let everyone know if there is a response. Awareness is critical. The decision to stir the pot or let it lie should be made by the SIG that legally represents us.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Lance</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=lld613@psci.net href="mailto:lld613@psci.net">Lisa & Larry</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.f3a.us href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.f3a.us">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:41 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:
Altitude limits</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Two schools of thought on this…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">1)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Let a sleeping dog lie…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in;
TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">2)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Take the bull by the horns…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Be careful of the battles you choose. IMHO the AMA should be aware and should help those fields that come into this issue. If the issue leads to the FAA, then it is on a path to resolve
conflict…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">On the other hand, if the AMA goes in guns a blazing this may cause a reaction of, “oh, we missed that…AMA you are right…we (the FAA) will certainly be obliged to correct the document so that it reads *<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">must</SPAN></B>*, the you *<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">will</SPAN></B>* fly under 400ft AGL across the country…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial">Larry Diamond<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.f3a.us [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.f3a.us] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Jay Marshall<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:51 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> '<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Altitude limits</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Don’t we pay AMA dues to resolve things like this? If enforced it could shut down many types of models.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div> <DIV> <div><B><I><FONT face="Brush Script MT" color=navy size=4><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: 'Brush Script MT'">Jay
Marshall</SPAN></FONT></I></B><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ed White<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:30 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Altitude limits</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div
class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I'm not interpreting this the same way at all. First, the document is a notice of policy that has been released with the action only for feedback, not for compliance. It is not a policy yet and should not be being enforced just based on this document. Second, making AC 91-57 the authority under which model aircraft are flown is not the same as changing its contents from guidance to mandatory. The policy does not change any of the words of AC 91-57 and in fact repeats those words, "Model aircraft SHOULD [my caps] be flown below 400 feet above the surface ..." That is not the same as saying "Model aircraft MUST be flown below 400 feet above the surface ...". In order for the 400 foot limit to be mandatory, the FAA will need to change the existing AC which only provides "guidance that encourages good judgment on the part of
operators...".<BR><BR>Nothing in the notice of policy suggests to me that the FAA is proposing to make any such change. <BR><BR>Ed<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">James Oddino <joddino@socal.rr.com></SPAN></I></B> wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Begin forwarded message:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal" face=Helvetica color=black size=4><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">From: </SPAN></FONT></B><FONT style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal" face=Helvetica size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">Bryan Hudson <<A href="mailto:gbflyer@sbcglobal.net">gbflyer@sbcglobal.net</A>></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal" face=Helvetica color=black size=4><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">Date: </SPAN></FONT></B><FONT style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal" face=Helvetica size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">January
22, 2008 10:00:42 PM PST</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal" face=Helvetica color=black size=4><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">To: </SPAN></FONT></B><FONT style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal" face=Helvetica size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">James Oddino <<A href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com">joddino@socal.rr.com</A>></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal" face=Helvetica color=black size=4><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">Subject: </SPAN></FONT></B><B><FONT style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal" face=Helvetica size=4><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt;
FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">Re: Fwd: [NSRCA-discussion] Altitude limits</SPAN></FONT></B><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px"> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Jim,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">That used to be correct up till Feburary last year. Long story short. FAA (Advisory Circular) AC 91-57 for model airplanes has been around since 1981. It "advises" fly models below 400 feet AGL (above ground
level). Because of the growing unmanned aircraft industry, last February the NTSB / <SPAN class=yshortcuts><SPAN id=lw_1201067814_2>FAA</SPAN></SPAN> issued a "Policy Statement" in the Federal Register officially making AC 91-57 the "Authority" under which models will be flown. So as of last Feb. fly below 400 AGL is federal law. This information has recently been added to the <SPAN class=yshortcuts><SPAN id=lw_1201067814_3>FAA</SPAN></SPAN>'s own web site, and now it looks like the new policy is being enforced. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">New regulation on <SPAN class=yshortcuts><SPAN id=lw_1201067814_4 style="BACKGROUND-POSITION: 0%
50%; BACKGROUND-ATTACHMENT: scroll; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial">FAA</SPAN></SPAN>'s web site <A href="http://www.faa.gov/" target=_blank><SPAN class=yshortcuts><SPAN id=lw_1201067814_5><FONT color=#003399><SPAN style="COLOR: #003399">www.faa.gov</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">T</SPAN></FONT>o fly a UAS you must have an (Experimental Airworthiness Certificate) EAC, <U>unless </U>you <FONT color=#3d3d3d><SPAN style="COLOR: #3d3d3d">are a hobbyist and intend to fly your model aircraft in accordance with the guidance in AC 91-57
"Model Aircraft Operating Standards.”</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#3d3d3d size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d">In other words, if you want to fly higher than AC 91-57 allows (above 400 AGL) then you must have an EAC. EACs are not being issued to modelers so don't even think about that.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#3d3d3d size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d">You can find the Federal Register Policy Statement that
lays this out on this site also. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#3d3d3d size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=#3d3d3d size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Go to </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=#3d3d3d size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A href="http://www.faa.gov/" target=_blank><SPAN class=yshortcuts><FONT color=purple><SPAN id=lw_1200932571_0><SPAN style="COLOR: purple">www.faa.gov</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></A> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#3d3d3d size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=#3d3d3d size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">then click on:</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=#3d3d3d size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Aircraft Tab </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=#3d3d3d size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Aircraft Topics - Aircraft Certification</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=#3d3d3d size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Design Approvals</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div
class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=#3d3d3d size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Types of Aircraft - Unmanned Aircraft</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#3d3d3d size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=#3d3d3d size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">At this point click on Regulations and Policies for links to:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#3d3d3d><SPAN style="COLOR: #3d3d3d">:</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in"><FONT face=Symbol color=#3d3d3d size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol">·</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#3d3d3d size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
7pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#3d3d3d><SPAN style="COLOR: #3d3d3d">Advisory Circulars - AC 91-57 Model Aircraft Operating Standards </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in"><FONT face=Symbol color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol">·</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Policies - <A title="Federal Register Notice – Clarification of FAA Policy" href="http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert/design_approvals/uas/reg/media/frnotice_uas.pdf" target=_blank><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; TEXT-DECORATION: none">Federal Register Notice – Clarification of FAA Policy</SPAN></FONT></A> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#3d3d3d size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d">Or after Unmanned Aircraft click on FAQ for statement on <SPAN class=yshortcuts><SPAN id=lw_1201067814_6>FAA</SPAN></SPAN>'s web site.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#3d3d3d size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#3d3d3d size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d">Bryan</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#3d3d3d size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=gray size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: gray; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=gray size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; COLOR: gray; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR><BR><B><I><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">James Oddino <<A href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com">joddino@socal.rr.com</A>></SPAN></I></B> wrote:</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#3d3d3d size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div>
<DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#3d3d3d size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#3d3d3d size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d">Begin forwarded message:</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal" face=Helvetica color=black size=4><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">From: </SPAN></FONT></B><FONT style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal" face=Helvetica color=#3d3d3d
size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">Ed White <<A href="mailto:edvwhite@sbcglobal.net">edvwhite@sbcglobal.net</A>></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal" face=Helvetica color=black size=4><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">Date: </SPAN></FONT></B><FONT style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal" face=Helvetica color=#3d3d3d size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">January 21, 2008 1:13:55 PM PST</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal" face=Helvetica color=black size=4><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">To: </SPAN></FONT></B><st1:PersonName
w:st="on"><FONT style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal" face=Helvetica color=#3d3d3d size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">NSRCA Mailing List</SPAN></FONT></st1:PersonName><FONT face=Helvetica color=#3d3d3d size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica"> <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal" face=Helvetica color=black size=4><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">Subject: </SPAN></FONT></B><B><FONT style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal" face=Helvetica color=#3d3d3d size=4><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Altitude
limits</SPAN></FONT></B><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal" face=Helvetica color=black size=4><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">Reply-To: </SPAN></FONT></B><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><FONT style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal" face=Helvetica color=#3d3d3d size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">NSRCA Mailing List</SPAN></FONT></st1:PersonName><FONT face=Helvetica color=#3d3d3d size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica"> <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px"> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#3d3d3d size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR:
#3d3d3d"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#3d3d3d size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d">It is written in FAA Advisory Circular AC 91-57, dated June 9, 1981. You can download it from the the FAA website (<A href="http://www.faa.gov/">www.faa.gov</A> and then type AC 91-57 into the search box).<BR><BR>It says "Do not fly model aircraft higher than 400 feet above the surface." This applies to any location. But because the next sentence says "When flying aircraft within 3 miles of an airport, notify the airport operator ..." some people misinterpret the requirement as 400 feet only when within 3 miles of an airport.<BR><BR>The key point is that it is an ADVISORY Circular. It outlines the FAA's preferred model aircraft operating standards, but compliance with the AC is voluntary. An AC is not the same as a FAR (Federal Aviation
Regulation). <BR><BR>Ed<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Mark Atwood <<A href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</A>></SPAN></I></B> wrote: </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#3d3d3d size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d">It was always my understanding that we were never supposed to exceed 400 ft<BR>and that full scale aircraft were to stay above 500ft. But I'm not sure<BR>where that's written...<BR><BR>-M<BR><BR><BR>On 1/21/08 2:35 PM, "James Oddino" <JODDINO@SOCAL.RR.COM>wrote:<BR><BR>> I'm getting some breaking news that there is some type of advisory<BR>> that says we shouldn't be flying above 400 feet at our field in<BR>> <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Camarillo</st1:place></st1:City>. Are there any general rules about altitude
limits that we<BR>> should be aware of? We are pretty far from the <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Camarillo</st1:place></st1:City> airport and<BR>> never get close to any full size stuff so I don't understand why there<BR>> would be a local restriction. More to follow I'm sure.<BR>> <BR>> Jim O<BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>> <A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>> <A href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR><A href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div>
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