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<DIV>I retired from the FAA after 29 years. I had dealt with this AC in my
job. Remember a few things:</DIV>
<DIV>The FAA and the IRS can impose penalties WITHOUT due process.</DIV>
<DIV>While the AIM and AC's are technically NOT FAR's, the FAA will still
violate people based on the AIM and AC's.</DIV>
<DIV>It seems that every couple of years you hear of a near miss with a model
and a full scale aircraft. It usually dies away.</DIV>
<DIV>Now with the advent of toys that you can buy and fly at a much greater
altitude, it seems probable that a non AMA member has the potential to stir
things up.</DIV>
<DIV>Pilots are aviators like us, and models are as fascinating to them as
full scale is to us, they will generally be tolerant of models. The FAA
will not. The FAA is staffed by pilots but run by politicians. I
think we should just be responsible pilots (full or Model) and not do
anything until we are forced to. The FAA cannot make a rule without a
Notice of Proposed Rule making (NPR) and the have to take public comment.
That is why the AOPA and EAA have been so effective. </DIV>
<DIV>The chances of a full scale pilot seeing you before you see them is slim,
just stay away from them.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10">Bruce
Reins<BR>A Stock Hydro/Runabout<BR>15-R
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 1/23/2008 5:43:56 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
lld613@psci.net writes:</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Two schools of
thought on this…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">1)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Let a sleeping dog
lie…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">2)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Take the bull by the
horns…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Be careful of the
battles you choose. IMHO the AMA should be aware and should help those fields
that come into this issue. If the issue leads to the FAA, then it is on a path
to resolve conflict…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">On the other hand, if
the AMA goes in guns a blazing this may cause a reaction of, “oh, we
missed that…AMA you are right…we (the FAA) will certainly be obliged to
correct the document so that it reads *<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">must</SPAN></B>*, the you *<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">will</SPAN></B>* fly under 400ft AGL across the
country…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Larry
Diamond<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.f3a.us
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.f3a.us] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Jay Marshall<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:51
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> '<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:
Altitude limits</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Don’t we pay AMA dues
to resolve things like this? If enforced it could shut down many types of
models.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P><B><I><FONT face="Brush Script MT" color=navy size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: 'Brush Script MT'">Jay
Marshall</SPAN></FONT></I></B><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy">
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ed White<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:30
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:
Altitude limits</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I'm not interpreting this the same way at
all. First, the document is a notice of policy that has been released
with the action only for feedback, not for compliance. It is not a
policy yet and should not be being enforced just based on this document.
Second, making AC 91-57 the authority under which model aircraft are flown is
not the same as changing its contents from guidance to mandatory. The
policy does not change any of the words of AC 91-57 and in fact repeats those
words, "Model aircraft SHOULD [my caps] be flown below 400 feet above the
surface ..." That is not the same as saying "Model aircraft MUST be flown
below 400 feet above the surface ...". In order for the 400 foot limit
to be mandatory, the FAA will need to change the existing AC which only
provides "guidance that encourages good judgment on the part of
operators...".<BR><BR>Nothing in the notice of policy suggests to me that the
FAA is proposing to make any such change. <BR><BR>Ed<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">James Oddino
<joddino@socal.rr.com></SPAN></I></B>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Begin forwarded
message:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal" face=Helvetica
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">From:
</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"
face=Helvetica size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">Bryan Hudson <<A
title=mailto:gbflyer@sbcglobal.net
href="mailto:gbflyer@sbcglobal.net">gbflyer@sbcglobal.net</A>></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT
style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal" face=Helvetica
color=black size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">Date:
</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"
face=Helvetica size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">January 22, 2008 10:00:42 PM
PST</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT
style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal" face=Helvetica
color=black size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">To:
</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"
face=Helvetica size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">James Oddino <<A
title=mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com
href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com">joddino@socal.rr.com</A>></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT
style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal" face=Helvetica
color=black size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">Subject:
</SPAN></FONT></B><B><FONT
style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal" face=Helvetica
size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">Re: Fwd:
[NSRCA-discussion] Altitude limits</SPAN></FONT></B><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Jim,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">That used to be correct up till Feburary
last year. Long story short. FAA (Advisory Circular) AC 91-57 for
model airplanes has been around since 1981. It "advises" fly models
below 400 feet AGL (above ground level). Because of the growing unmanned
aircraft industry, last February the NTSB / <SPAN class=yshortcuts><SPAN
id=lw_1201067814_2>FAA</SPAN></SPAN> issued a "Policy Statement" in the
Federal Register officially making AC 91-57 the "Authority" under which models
will be flown. So as of last Feb. fly below 400 AGL is federal
law. This information has recently been added to the <SPAN
class=yshortcuts><SPAN id=lw_1201067814_3>FAA</SPAN></SPAN>'s own web site,
and now it looks like the new policy is being
enforced. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">New regulation on <SPAN
class=yshortcuts><SPAN id=lw_1201067814_4
style="BACKGROUND-POSITION: 0% 50%; BACKGROUND-ATTACHMENT: scroll; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial">FAA</SPAN></SPAN>'s
web site <A title=http://www.faa.gov/ href="http://www.faa.gov/"
target=_blank><SPAN class=yshortcuts><SPAN id=lw_1201067814_5><FONT
color=#003399><SPAN
style="COLOR: #003399">www.faa.gov</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">T</SPAN></FONT>o fly
a UAS you must have an (Experimental Airworthiness Certificate) EAC, <U>unless
</U>you <FONT color=#3d3d3d><SPAN style="COLOR: #3d3d3d">are a hobbyist and
intend to fly your model aircraft in accordance with the guidance in AC 91-57
"Model Aircraft Operating Standards.”</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=#3d3d3d size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d">In other
words, if you want to fly higher than AC 91-57 allows (above 400 AGL) then you
must have an EAC. EACs are not being issued to modelers so don't even
think about that.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=#3d3d3d size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d">You can
find the Federal Register Policy Statement that lays this out on this site
also. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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color=#3d3d3d size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
title=http://www.faa.gov/ href="http://www.faa.gov/" target=_blank><SPAN
class=yshortcuts><FONT color=purple><SPAN id=lw_1200932571_0><SPAN
style="COLOR: purple">www.faa.gov</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></A> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">At
this point click on Regulations and Policies for links
to:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#3d3d3d><SPAN
style="COLOR: #3d3d3d">:</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#3d3d3d><SPAN style="COLOR: #3d3d3d">Advisory
Circulars - AC 91-57 Model Aircraft Operating Standards
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Policies - <A
title=http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert/design_approvals/uas/reg/media/frnotice_uas.pdf
href="http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert/design_approvals/uas/reg/media/frnotice_uas.pdf"
target=_blank><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; TEXT-DECORATION: none">Federal Register Notice –
Clarification of FAA Policy</SPAN></FONT></A> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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color=#3d3d3d size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d">Or after Unmanned Aircraft click
on FAQ for statement on <SPAN class=yshortcuts><SPAN
id=lw_1201067814_6>FAA</SPAN></SPAN>'s web
site.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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color=#3d3d3d size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d">It is
written in FAA Advisory Circular AC 91-57, dated June 9, 1981. You can
download it from the the FAA website (<A title=http://www.faa.gov/
href="http://www.faa.gov/">www.faa.gov</A> and then type AC 91-57 into the
search box).<BR><BR>It says "Do not fly model aircraft higher than 400 feet
above the surface." This applies to any location. But because
the next sentence says "When flying aircraft within 3 miles of an airport,
notify the airport operator ..." some people misinterpret the
requirement as 400 feet only when within 3 miles of an airport.<BR><BR>The
key point is that it is an ADVISORY Circular. It outlines the FAA's
preferred model aircraft operating standards, but compliance with the AC is
voluntary. An AC is not the same as a FAR (Federal Aviation
Regulation). <BR><BR>Ed<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #3d3d3d">It was always my understanding that
we were never supposed to exceed 400 ft<BR>and that full scale aircraft were
to stay above 500ft. But I'm not sure<BR>where that's
written...<BR><BR>-M<BR><BR><BR>On 1/21/08 2:35 PM, "James Oddino"
<joddino@socal.rr.com>wrote:<BR><BR>> I'm getting some breaking
news that there is some type of advisory<BR>> that says we shouldn't be
flying above 400 feet at our field in<BR>> <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Camarillo</st1:place></st1:City>. Are there any general rules
about altitude limits that we<BR>> should be aware of? We are pretty far
from the <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Camarillo</st1:place></st1:City> airport and<BR>> never get
close to any full size stuff so I don't understand why there<BR>> would
be a local restriction. More to follow I'm sure.<BR>> <BR>> Jim
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